Posted on 04/08/2006 4:37:43 PM PDT by Wristpin
Pit bulls on the loose went on a rampage Thursday and terrorized a southwest Philadelphia neighborhood. The dogs escaped from their backyard at 53rd Street and Cedar Avenue and ran several blocks through the neighborhood, attacking several people. Their rampage ended with a policeman shooting one of the dogs.
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No one has denied breeding has anything to do with the pit bull problem. We that support the breed have suggested this very thing. I understand genetics.
I see you didn't see the sarcasm in my post. Sorry.
It was a crossbreed of the following 2 breeds:
A Komondor father
A Great Dane mother
Of your 13 links of "carnage":
Two sets of links were found to be the same story told by different reporters, one of a postal worker, and the other of a dog-involved accident where a woman was bitten on the wrist.
One of the links was to a story where a police officer shot a pit bull that was attacking another dog he was living with, and on private property, when no one was home. The incident is under investigation, as no people were involved and it was on private property.
Another one was of a police officer who shot a pit bull after it was ordered to attack by its owner. There were no injuries, because the dog didn't attack anyone.
The first link was dead, but the url appeared to be from the same place as the link of pit bulls attacking children on a golf course, a little further down. Funny thing that one of the children was not injured because the pit bull couldn't bite through his jeans?
Another link was a greyhound that was attacked by a pit bull. No people were attacked, although the owner of the dog sustained minor wounds from breaking up the fight.
The rest of the links were actual attacks by pit bulls. There were 5 of those, none of which caused anything more than minor injuries, except for the little girl who's leg was very severely torn up. I feel bad for that little girl. No one should have to endure something that brutal.
Here's another statistic: Approximately 4 million dog attacks happen each year, regardless of what breed is the most popular. Pit bulls are included in that statistic, and happen to actually attack people less often than other breeds. I believe the ones that bite the most are labs, dalmations, and cocker spaniels, perhaps not in that order, and there may be some other breeds in there, but none that anyone would think are dangerous breeds.
That means every month there are three hundred thirty three thousand attacks on people by dogs. And if reporters are showing all the attacks by pit bulls that they can find, then WOW. They hardly attack at all compared to the total of all the breeds.
"According to statistics kept by city of Boulder Animal Care and Control, "labs" as they are so innocently called were responsible for an astonishing 18.9 percent of the 748 dog bites in the city from 1997 to 2003, more than twice as many as the next highest breed (German shepherds, at 8.5 percent)."
I have said it before and I will say it again. Any dog can attack, and apparently they do. If it was a breed problem, then we would have about 4 million attacks just from pit bulls, and a whole helluva lot more deaths.
Still, this is nowhere near the epidemic the media makes it out to be.
"99.9% of all dogs, from all breeds, will never be involved in an attack at any time in their lives."
Cited from http://goodpooch.com/bsl.htm#banlabs
And 0.01333% of people are killed by dogs a year, if every year there were 27 deaths. The average is between 15-20 deaths a year right now.
Stats and risk are funny things solo... your are approaching your strawman backwards.
A non AT RISK breed owner looks at it this way....Say a neighbor moves in next door and has two pit bulls instead of two labs.
Since Labs have killed one person and Pits are closing in on 100 deaths, My dogs, kids and neighbors are now 100 times more likely to be killed by a dog. The Mauling risk is even greater. The risk to the small dogs in the neighborhood is huge.
That's how the public looks at it.
"We have not yet come across a single incident of unprovoked aggression by a dog, that couldn't have been easily prevented by appropriate training or supervision. When put this simply, we wonder why authorities choose NOT to hold the dog's owners wholly responsible? Any attempts to blame the dog are merely a way of excusing irresponsible dog owners for their negligence. If dog owners are excused from accountability, they will repeat their offences."
- GoodPooch.com
We can't emphasize this enough. "The public" is not involved in the overwhelming majority of dog bite cases. Any attempts to ban dog breeds or enact stiffer leash laws will have little effect, since we know people are usually bitten by a dog they know (not a stranger walking his/her dog in public) while the dog is on its own property, where leash laws do not apply. (Supervised dogs in neutral, public places are attributed with fewer than 1% of bites.) Some might even suggest that those who hide behind a facade of "public safety" are being intentionally misleading. Anyone who implies that the cause for dog bites is predominantly anything other than irresponsible owners leaving their poorly socialized dogs (and usually their children) unsupervised, is just plain wrong. The statistics bear this out.
I could probably google it but I'd like to hear your story.
What is a mondongo?
Nope never owned one...Too risky.
Dog lovers owning a breed designed to kill other dogs?! hmmm....
Same ole talking points, as reflexive as a Pit shredding a widow's poodle.
I agree, it much better to scare off the crook rather than go through the hassle of killing him off.
My pit was not so good a watch dog, but we had a little Jack Russel terrier who gave the alert, and it would be a brave or very stupid crook who would walk past the pit to silence the Jack Russel.
Blunderbuss: A short weapon, with a long mouth or bell, that discharges multiple balls or slugs, and capable of doing execution over a limited range. Now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.
That is from the 1932 Oxford English Dictionary, as quoted in "Farmer Giles of Ham" by J.R.R Tolkien. He was, apparently slightly amused by the notion that an advantage of civilization is more advanced weaponry....
But compare toting a blunderbuss to a Detonics. Certainly that would be an advantage.
So you've never owned one because you think it's "too risky" and the only experiences you have had with pits have been negative. And most of your statistics have been taken from old reliable "you". I really think you are doing yourself a disservice by continuing to live in ignorance. There have been many posts by more than one person on here with facts and statistics that are taken from reputable sources, and all of them contradict your "findings". Now you are just ignoring the facts and "bullheadedly" holding your post, out of pride, I am guessing. That is the only reason I can see for an intelligent person to deny being wrong after being proven so.
Welcome to FR.
Lots of interesting discussion here on many topics.
Don't let the breed banners get you down.
They're narrow minded control freaks that really aren't concerned about the problem of dog bites and attacks.
They get some sort of pseudo-moral high from attacking pit bulls and their owners
but come up dry when asked for comprehensive solutions to all dog attacks.
They're all hat and no cattle.
One could say that owning one and being a dangerous breed pusher makes one emotionally involved and no longer objective. My view is like an insurance company...genetics, risk and liability are the issue here.
I own a breed responsible for zero deaths and that isn't getting shot by police circling kids on a golf course like a pack of hyenas.
Here's an oldie but goodie...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/1041389/detail.html
I haven't had pit bulls my whole life. And I used to be very scared of them. The only reason I changed my mind about them was because I was presented with the facts.
It's really funny how people who have never owned the breed think these dogs are vicious. Every time I go to the Veterinarian with my dogs, someone always asks why I would own such a vicious dog, and this is always said as their snarling, out of control little mutt is lunging at the leash, and my two "vicious" dogs are sitting quietly, not even paying attention to them.
I may have emotional involvement for my specific dogs, yes. But before I ever owned these dogs I did a whole lot of research. When I was going to college, whether it was speech class, English, U.S. History, etc. I did reports on these dogs, so I had to learn all the facts, so that things could be represented fairly. While doing research I realized what my friend who had these dogs felt. I came to this subject as a pit bull hater. I believe I would be the last person to be unobjective, as the only reason I have my dogs right now is from literally years of research on the breed, starting off from your point of view and slowly over time, changing it to reflect education on the subject.
Another heartwarming Pit Bull thread here....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1615688/posts
Soooo...instead of addressing my post you ignore it and post more propaganda. The dog didn't attack anyone, and only God knows what "charge" means to frightened ignorant people.
I have seen a video that claimed a dog was "charging" someone, and the dog was clearly following someone who was running away. Once the dog caught up, it stopped, and waited for the boy to run again. The dog thought it was a game, and the kid, believing the media and ignorant folks like you, thought the dog was going to kill him.
I think all the people who have been reading these posts have either learned something valuable- (that real facts presented by experts show these dogs are no more vicious than any other)or remained uneducated, completely ignoring fact, only to be played by the media. I feel sorry for you.
So long as we're being cheap here and not bothering to learn anything...Here's a heartwarming story of how lovable labs and goldens can be. Makes me want to go out and hug one.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1581748/posts
I guess I need to remind you that this is a Pit Bull rampage through Philadelphia thread.
I've learned a lot about Pit Bullers and how their agenda has consumed them. If faced with a kid being Pit-mauled in the street and and a neighbor coming out to the rescue with a gun, many would tackle the neighbor.
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