Duke comparisons to Tawana Brawley; Accuser doesn't remember ANY details for 31 hours.

AP ^ | 04/07/06 | Allen G. Breed

[OakOak]

Accuser's Criminal Record. Another web-site said that her license has been suspended 3 times Also.

Joe Cheshire, who represents co-captain Dave Evans, told reporters he is certain the call was made by the SECOND DANCER, whose identity has not yet surfaced publicly. The caller alternatively told a police dispatcher the pair were driving and walking past the house.

My comments: This is something I believed from day one and it can be demonstrated by using the police report (2 min response to first 911 call) and the neighbor's statement.

It's also fishy that police said today that it took the accuser 31 hours to remember ANY details of the incident. That article is here: http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/426021.html

NOTE: There are two separate articles, the N&O link above is the story on the 31 hour time period for details.

[Locomotive Breath]

Mangum is a very common name in this area. I've met Mangums on both sides of the color line. In fact, Mangum St. is a major road running through the middle of Durham. I wouldn't read too much into the frequency of that name in police records.

[Locomotive Breath]

The problem is that even if the DA is now knows that he screwed up by publicly jumping on this so hard at the start without waiting for all the evidence, he's sold the case to the people who reflexively require the lax players to be guilty guilty guilty because the lax players are "privileged white males". He's won a conviction in the court of public opinion and has no choice but to press charges and hope he can snag something. If he doesn't press charges he'll have a riot on his hands and people will be screaming "cover up".

I remember a little in the local press at the time about the stripper who tried to run down the cops. I recall thinking what a joke it was that she got off with a slap on the wrist. I searched the Durham Herald Sun and the Raleigh News and Observer for that time frame and couldn't find anything. I wonder if those articles have been recently removed.

[texianyankee]

I have absolutely no sympathy for the Lacrosse team. You have some sort of unusual interest in this case.

[anton]

As for that medical exam that was "consistent" with rape allegations. Was that evidence also consistent with the slut turning 20-40 tricks in the prior 48 hours? I bet it was. I didn't hear about any broken nose or wrist bones, or black eyes. I wouldn't be too surprised that a sex trade worker might have some vaginal redness, or that she might have had something irritate her anus.

[2ndClassCitizen]

You could be correct. my point is with all the potential of booze, two whores who willingly attended (guess why), all the money, all the immaturity, the mixture of drugs, well who the heck is ever going to really know what happened?

We have a highly paid jackass of a prosecutor who is using the law to further his own ends. Maybe it would be good for someone to have a serious private talk with that prosecutor and introduce him to the concept of justice.

[OakOak]

You have NO Sympathy? Our system is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILITY! There are no even charges and these players have been convicted. You've heard one side of the story from media day after day and you've made up your mind.

If these allegations are false (and there are tons of holes in the story), these boys (some teenagers) have had all their names, pictures, and criminal charges (not convictions) printed in all the papers and displayed on the TV.

So, you'll have no sympathy if the allegations do prove to be false?

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[OakOak]

No, I'm not on the team. I have spent a lot of time on campus including the last 2 weeks. I have many friends at Duke (none on the team), but I know guys that hang out with the lacrosse team. I have NEVER. I'm a little older than those guys.

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[texianyankee]

You play with fire you get burned...that is a lesson one learns early in life, or supposedly. These lacrosse players played with fire. You'd think they might have a bit more common sense, but obviously they dont.

They get no sympathy from me.

[F.J. Mitchell]

This wil never be resolved in the court of public opinion. Even if/when, the DNA evidence clears the team of the charges-the new spin will be that the affluent white boys bought their way out.

[texianyankee]

"So, you'll have no sympathy if the allegations do prove to be false?" If the facts prove they didnt commit rape, then they are innocent of rape - that is all. They still dont have my sympathy as they were stupid & shoulda knowed not to play with fire. Maybe some of them will finally get some common sense.

[OakOak]

Regardless of my personal opinion.. Does anyone think that that's not her Criminal Record? Of course, it is and I can't be blamed for her bad, in fact, criminal choices.

So, it will NOT help her or anyone else in court to have the type of record she has. She stole the car from a guy she was manipulating with Lap Dances.

The players said (before her record came out) that the uproar at the party (and the cause of the weird e-mail) was that the strippers tried to steal their $800.00

Plus, the woman lies. She told the News and Observer and a local Radio guy that she was new to stripping and she was real nervous and didn't want to go in. In fact, she said she had never stripped for a group before.

Well, it turns out Crystal Mangum has been stripping for over 5 years and strip clubs all over Durham and at private parties. Her conviction from her Larceny and attempt to run over a Cop was in 2002 and it clear says that she was lap dancing and stole the customer's car.

Either the woman didn't think it would be a big deal or she's really not smart at all and I'm being kind. In Durham , if someone gets a leaflet that says "You People" they have marches and it leads the nightly news. The City council meets on it, etc.

So, she should've know but the players have contended she showed drunk or high and then in the 911 call she's reported as intoxicated woman.

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I'm being honest,, I could've come on her and said I'm totally impartial. I'm a Duke supporter, but I don't support rape. I believe them because the story has too many inconsistencies.

[OakOak]

Fair enough. You Yankees are entitled to your opinion.

[Royal Wulff]

If they found four of her fingernails in the bathroom, why all this dickering? It's case closed once they get a DNA sample and identify who she was clawing at.

[maggief]

Interesting hits on google.

[mslee]

And are YOU going to post an apology if DNA does come back, someone is charged and they are found guilty?

[Jeannie Nelson]

I have her name spelled CHRISTAL and she is white. DOB 12-19-1980.

[Locomotive Breath]

So basically if this is a false rape charge you are willing to "blame the victim", that is to say, the Duke lax players because they "brought it on themselves"? I thought we got over that kind of thinking with true victims of rape. Talk about your double standards.

[Pharmboy]

We'll look at the Glen Ridge case and you look at Tawana Brawley.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Actually her story is self destructing already, despite the best efforts of the local, national and international media, the DA, local law enforcement and race baiters in general to hold it together.