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Vanity post - My lake is having a beaver problem, any advice on how to trap them?
04/07/06 | Abathar

Posted on 04/07/2006 1:12:25 PM PDT by Abathar

I was hoping someone could answer a couple of questions I have on how to get rid of beaver out of a lake. I live in Indiana now but grew up in Michigan my whole life. Up there if you even look crosseyed at one the DNR will arrest you on the spot, so I was surprised when I called them here to get permission to live trap the d@mn things the officer just laughed and suggested I use dynamite on their home. He told me they were endangered once but since they brought them back our county has classified them as a nuisance. He told me if they were a problem just trap them or shoot them. The problem is they come out mostly at night, and the spillway the little b@stard keeps daming up is about 300 yards away from my back porch, and since they haven't started building a den yet I don't know where they sleep. I have to clean the stupid spillway up at least 3 times a week now, and I am getting pretty upset. If someone has some ideas not involving high explosives I sure would appreciate it.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: angrybeavers; canyoustuneabeaver; justdam; lilbeaver; pests; wynonasfault
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1 posted on 04/07/2006 1:12:29 PM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar

Dinner and a movie?


2 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:02 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A nation that cannot or will not control its borders is not a nation at all)
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To: Abathar

I don't have any advice to offer, except this is going to be an interesting thread! :-)


3 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:09 PM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: Abathar

Hang on, I'll be right over!


4 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:26 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Abathar

But the dynamite idea sounds like a lot of fun!


5 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Abathar

Damned beavers....


6 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:31 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Abathar

This one could be a classic.


7 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:32 PM PDT by Bahbah (Harry Reid is a Liar;Ted Kennedy is a BIG FAT Liar: edited by tiredoflaundry)
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To: Abathar

trap em, I forget which size, #4 maybe?

pelts can be worth a few bucks... no idea about season/ liscensing in your area


8 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:58 PM PDT by Orion_Shall_Rise
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To: Abathar

Leave a poisoned sausage where they can find it. I heard they love to eat sausage.


9 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:58 PM PDT by neodanite (I will stop laughing at John Kerry when he admits he will never be president.)
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To: Abathar

"My lake is having a beaver problem, any advice on how to trap them?"

So many things come to mind...


10 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:06 PM PDT by RedFred In A Blue State (Keep your friends close & your enemies in the freezer behind boxes in the basement)
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To: Abathar

Be afraid, be really, really afraid.

If you destroy the beaver dam now, you will likely get a visit from the fedgov wondering why you drained a wetland.

Happened to some guy in Michigan or New York. Big fines, lottsa court time, big mess.

The "eyeinthesky" already has a snap shot.

This is NO JOKE.


11 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:13 PM PDT by Al Gator (Remember always to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: Abathar

STATE OF MICHIGAN
Reply to: GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE
STATE OFFICE BUILDING, 6TH FLOOR
350 OTTAWA NW
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503-2341

JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
HOLLISTER BUILDING
PO BOX 30473
LANSING MI 48909-7973
INTERNET: http://www.deq.state.mius/
RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director

December 17, 1997


CERTIFIED


Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339

Dear Mr. DeVries:


SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm, County.

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially, failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division

---- Reply Letter ----

Dear Mr. Price:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County

Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.

My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first.

As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real truly environmental quality (health) problem; State bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

Sincerely,

Stephen L.Tvedten


12 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Abathar

At least your beaver isn't having a water problem.


13 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:21 PM PDT by colorcountry (Don't bother me,.... I'm living happily ever after.)
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To: Abathar

OK, I'll be the first one to say it.

Having a "beaver" problem can't be all that bad :-)


14 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:43 PM PDT by Buell_X1-1200 (Sorry, I'm tired of thinking of 'catchy' taglines.)
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15 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:52 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Abathar
any advice on how to trap them

I've always found alchohol to be quite handy for this situation.

16 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:54 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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My problems with muskrats. It seems like you can never get rid of the damned things. I've been trapping them for years but there seems to be an endless supply. I'd like to know how to kill the things without damaging my lake or killing anything else, like ducks and other less harmful critters.


17 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:56 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: thoughtomator

Classic


18 posted on 04/07/2006 1:16:13 PM PDT by RedFred In A Blue State (Keep your friends close & your enemies in the freezer behind boxes in the basement)
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To: Abathar
SSS

Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

19 posted on 04/07/2006 1:16:43 PM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh thanks for posting this.


20 posted on 04/07/2006 1:16:48 PM PDT by tropical
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