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I am a "work hours freeper" so I may not be familiar with some of you weekend freepers. Go easy on me.....
1 posted on 03/25/2006 9:12:28 PM PST by HOTTIEBOY
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To: HOTTIEBOY
If they automatically charge a gratuity it should be posted in writing, usually on the menu somewhere.

If you're really cheesed off about it, call your credit card company and dispute the charge.

You do still have the receipt don't you?

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2 posted on 03/25/2006 9:15:24 PM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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They might have authorized the amount plus the expected tip, but they can't charge you for more than the amount that you signed.


3 posted on 03/25/2006 9:16:57 PM PST by Nauta
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I had the same thing happen to me, the charge that appeared was 20% more than the charge signed for.

But the actual amount of money taken out, and the number that the charge read after it was fully processed by the bank, was the number I'd signed for.

I'm still not sure what that was all about... happened in DC.


4 posted on 03/25/2006 9:18:27 PM PST by thoughtomator (Pacifism is objectively pro-terrorist)
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It isn't always convienent but pay in cash when possible.

My wife and I were in a resturant recently and printed on the menu in very small print it said that a 15% gratutity had been added to each menu item. All around us people were leaving tips on their tables. I left nothing but still paid the 15% whether I wanted to or not.

Good service but the waiter lost money on me because I would have left more than 15%


5 posted on 03/25/2006 9:21:28 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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The restaurant manager needs to know about this, pronto. Extremely bad for business. Sounds like a case of dishonest waitstaff.


6 posted on 03/25/2006 9:22:35 PM PST by elli1
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To: HOTTIEBOY
When I dine, I usually write less than a dollar on the tip line to discourage this sort of behavior. The real tip is on the table. You have every right to open a dispute with your credit card company.

Some restaurants do automatically add their tips for bills over $50, parties of 5 or more, etc. If you want to be a nice guy, I'd call the restaurant first. However, if you left it on the table, they are double dipping.

I've got a real problem with the custom of tipping-- it is a way of subsidizing the restaurant owner's niggardly wages. I lived in Japan 15 years and nobody tipped. One of my favorite noontime restaurant managers lived in my neigborhood so, I assume, made an income similar to mine and the meals were roughly $7 a plate in the local currency with no tip added.

7 posted on 03/25/2006 9:23:08 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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I think most restaurants charge a 20% gratuity for parties bigger than 4 on weekends. But they should have that posted on the menu at least. I would call the manager though, because I could easily see a waiter adding that to credit charges and getting away with it when it's not restaurant policy. Most customers will assume they just didn't notice the policy and would feel guilty to call and complain.
9 posted on 03/25/2006 9:26:42 PM PST by txroadkill
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interesting article here:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/237788_overcharge24.html


12 posted on 03/25/2006 9:43:37 PM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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FWIW: gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

I always leave tips on the table and refuse to pay tacked on "gratuities". If a problem arises over this refusal, I simply never return again.

14 posted on 03/25/2006 9:45:49 PM PST by lunarbicep (Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain)
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Usually the restaurant says that they charge a gratuity for parties of a certain size. At least that has been my experience. From my point of view the servers were the ones getting shafted I always tipped much more than the restaurant charged if left to my own devices.
15 posted on 03/25/2006 9:49:35 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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Dishonest and unethical business practices. Plain and simple.


18 posted on 03/25/2006 10:12:01 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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The same thing happened to me and we found out that the waiter was increasing his tips (stealing) quite often.


20 posted on 03/25/2006 10:31:02 PM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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This same thing happened to a gal at work. She called the store and got her money back. Even if they do charge the gratutity it wouldn't be more than 18 per cent at the most, not 20.


21 posted on 03/25/2006 11:55:15 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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When you use a charge card at a restaurant, they initially run your card through an electronic charge machine which authorizes the charge. To assure them that your account has sufficient credit available, they will normally "reserve" an amount that would include the tip that most people add to the charge slip. That charge slip will be processed later and the additional amount will be added to the total charge, clearing the reserved amount.

I suspect you accessed your on-line statement before the restaurant's bookkeeping had reconciled the charge slips.

Wait a day or two and check again before you complain.


22 posted on 03/26/2006 12:02:58 AM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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What they did was wrong and fraud unless it was clearly stated on the menu and receipt as a matter of policy. You should contact your credit card company and complain to them as you should only be liable for the amount you signed for.

I think tips should be discretionary and a reflection of what you thought of the service you received – a bonus for going “above and beyond” your expectations.

The problem with the whole system is that servers are paid below minimum wage as tips are “expected” to make up the difference. And the servers have to claim it as income to boot. The IRS makes restaurants responsible for reporting tips and administratively it’s easier for them to add the gratuity to the bill.

I usually tip 15% for good service and 20% for exceptional service. In most cases, service at a chain restaurant deserves 10% at best. Tipping should be discretionary and in this scenario, a really good server gets screwed out of a higher tip.


24 posted on 03/26/2006 7:19:11 AM PST by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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Was the service lousy? Why would you not leave a 20% tip on the table to begin with? During the few times I left less than a 20% tip in a restaurant, I always let the waitstaff know why.


25 posted on 03/26/2006 7:24:14 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Need a tree census in Maine)
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I went this evening to Billy Jeans, a resturant here in Gastonia, NC. It seems they charged my visa debit card more than the tab was. We were a party of four and my tab was for $54.93 but my online statement shows they charged me $65.92.


Check your online statement over the next few days and see what it shows once the process is completed with the filing of the actual charge from the restaurant. I suspect it will be as you signed for. If not then proceed with filing a complaint with your card company and talking to the restaurant.
26 posted on 03/26/2006 7:31:37 AM PST by deport
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I think you got weaseled. Call them.


27 posted on 03/26/2006 2:37:03 PM PST by 359Henrie (NASA needs one more moon rock, its in Mecca.)
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