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Shedding light on slavery in the north
CNN ^ | 3/17/2006 | AP

Posted on 03/17/2006 8:50:53 AM PST by High Cotton

Teaching about the slave trade "is the right thing to do," Wright said. "Absent South Carolina, the biggest importer of slaves was New York City."

The New York Historical Society recently presented an exhibition on slavery in New York that featured documents, paintings, video and sculpture.

In lower Manhattan, a long-lost burial ground where thousands of slaves and free blacks were laid to rest during the 18th century was recently declared a national monument by President Bush.

Slavery was abolished in New York in 1827, but when the American Revolution began in 1776, the only city with more slaves than New York was Charleston, South Carolina.

Oyster Bay eighth-grader Fiona Brunner said she was amazed to find out there were slaves buried near Oyster Bay.

"You always think that happened so far away, only in the South, and a lot of it was right here in our town," she said.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; education; newyorkcity; slavery; us
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To: ClearCase_guy
Singer also tries to engage the students by using rap. Though he admits he's an awful rapper, he dons a T-shirt and cap (appropriately askew) and presses on anyway: "Time to learn the truth, our local his-to-ry, that Long Island was the land of slave-r-ry."

Marshall Mathers, watch out!

This MC can spit rhymes with the best of 'em.

121 posted on 03/17/2006 11:42:28 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: wardaddy
Count me in as one of those who believe the Civil War was a national TRAGEDY, NOT a "second war for independence" or a "war to free the slaves" that should be put on a pedestal. If cooler heads had prevailed (ie if Henry Clay had a better personal touch) then slavery would have been gradually abolished through compromise by the 1870s. Unfortunatly, the "S" word (first employed by New Englanders who wanted to leave the union at the beginning of the century) became acceptable in political parlance and personal rivalries overlapped with differences in regional goals.

In short the war should have NEVER HAPPENNED and it is sad and tragic that tens of thousands of young men, some of whom were shooting at their brothers, nephews and cousins, had to die, to say nothing of the horribly disfigured veterans who would dominate skid rows for decades after the war.

I forget to address Sumner. In terms of attitude, Sumner was essentially John Kerry with a high IQ (Sumnner at least not being a global socialist). He was an arrogant blowhard and mediocre Senator, who made the mistake of personally insulting another hothead across the aisles family. Can't say I blame Pres for coming into the Senate to defend his brother's honor, with a club.

Interestingly enough, Charles Sumner was a close friend of the Adams family, functioning as an "uncle" to Henry Adams. Henry Adams, who was known to believe that the Confederacy was in the right on the secession question, always referred to Uncle Charles as a kind and sensitive man. Nevertheless, his public persona was that of high intellect and arrogance in spades.

122 posted on 03/17/2006 11:50:49 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: Felis_irritable
"I grew up in suburban Chicago. Northerners paint themselves as open-minded saints as far as race relations are concerned, but I know from personal observation that there are just as many bigots up there as in the South.."

Gangs of New York presents some of that.

123 posted on 03/18/2006 12:02:01 AM PST by monkapotamus
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To: BluH2o
Well, as it turns out it never turned a dime in profit, in fact didn't even break even ... why are things like this so predictable?

The wave of the future, I'm telling ya!

124 posted on 03/18/2006 12:14:55 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Only MA by the time of the Constitution did NOT have slavery. NJ only banned it c. 1830s or so

The Republic of Vermont constitution banned slavery in 1777. Vermont entered the union in 1791 and never had slaves while a state.

125 posted on 03/18/2006 12:24:14 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: stand watie

In the "Great Sioux Uprising of 1862", 250 indians were sentenced to hang in the upper midwest.

Lincoln intervened, only the leaders were hanged, (30 or so), Lincoln's intervention on the part of the Indians absolutely enraging the local settlers.

It was still an awful tragedy.

The great grandmother of an extended family member remembers hiding in caves along the banks of the Mississippi River. It was a bloody 30 years or so war.


126 posted on 03/18/2006 3:06:48 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: Heyworth
People loyal to the United States and opposed to slavery?

No, Spoons Butler.

127 posted on 03/18/2006 3:24:47 AM PST by Gianni
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To: billbears

Of curse, they were "winning our hearts and minds".


128 posted on 03/18/2006 3:40:27 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: High Cotton
It's about time public schools started teaching the WHOLE truth about slavery....well, it's a start anyway.

It seems they still don’t teach that slavery was the common state of most people throughout history.
129 posted on 03/18/2006 3:47:00 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: babyface00
I've often wondered...as the states in the North made slavery illegal, did the slaves get freed, or did they just get sold to Southern states?

Possibly both. If I were a Northern slave owner and saw that abolition would become fact I would want to sell off my property (slaves) to recoup as much of my capital investment as possible. We would see the same thing today if some State decided to make the internal combustion engine illegal.
130 posted on 03/18/2006 3:53:26 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Felis_irritable

A look at Chicago history would be interesting for the self-righteous Yankees.
The summer of 1919 should be noted, as well as the anti-Black demonstrations by Whites through the 40’s and 50s. Race riots were an annual event in 1966-1968. Even as recently as 1977 Chicago wasn’t exactly a haven of love between the races.


131 posted on 03/18/2006 4:07:35 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: tkathy
i'm "familiar with" the incident.

the ones he did hang were probably INNOCENT. the guilty (as all too frequently happens) went free.

lincoln, the TYRANT & RACIST, was nothing but a clone of wee willie klintoon or perhaps it's the reverse.

EITHER/BOTH would have sent out recipes for cooking HUMANS from the White House, if 2% of the population decided that cannibalism was a good idea.

NEITHER had more morals than an average alley cat. BOTH would do ANYTHING to "get ahead".

free dixie,sw

132 posted on 03/18/2006 7:23:58 AM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: tkathy
see#132.

free dixie,sw

133 posted on 03/18/2006 7:32:06 AM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Those were brutal, violent times. It is intellectually dishonest to cherry pick slight imperfections.


134 posted on 03/18/2006 7:52:33 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: stand watie

IMO the entire South should get down on it's knees every day and give thanks to the Almighty for the sainted martyr Lincoln, who saved the South's sorry ____ from the worst, most incompetent leadership the world has ever seen. (At least until Muslim leadership).


135 posted on 03/18/2006 8:11:29 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: Heyworth
"Mississippi, by the way, didn't ratify the 13th until 1995."

The neo-confederates are losing their grip even in the heart of the old South.

136 posted on 03/18/2006 12:04:01 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: stand watie
Lincoln met with Frederick Douglass and other African-American leaders in the White House on numerous occasions. Contrast that with the behavior of other American leaders of his era, and later.

Whatever the prejudices about Blacks that Lincoln shared with his fellow countrymen in 1860, by the standards of his day, he wasn't especially bigoted or negrophobic. He demonstrated an openness to change and experience during his presidency.

Consider his late speech supporting the extension of the right to vote to "qualified" Blacks. That might not seem like much today, but considering the times and Lincoln's earlier views it was quite a step.

Of course Lincoln died before he could implement reconstruction so we can't say what he would have done, but given your record of making things up and lying, it's hard to give much credence to your opinions.

137 posted on 03/18/2006 12:12:23 PM PST by x
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To: Straight Vermonter
"The Republic of Vermont constitution banned slavery in 1777. Vermont entered the union in 1791 and never had slaves while a state."

There are always some people who choose to ignore historical facts, such as the Vermont constitution banning slavery during the American Revolution.

Southern state's politicians deliberately instigated and full scale insurrection in 1860 in order to maintain and expand slavery, hoping European powers would send in foreign troops and destroy the Union once and for all.

138 posted on 03/18/2006 12:44:59 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
So, it wasn't just Southerners who had slaves, or who hated the idea of losing it.

The difference being that the Northern states peacefully ended slavery by amending their own constitutions while the south chose to initiate a long and destructive rebellion to protect their institution of slavery.

139 posted on 03/19/2006 4:00:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: babyface00
I've often wondered...as the states in the North made slavery illegal, did the slaves get freed, or did they just get sold to Southern states?

Both. Many were freed, but some owners chose to sell their slaves to owners in slave states. I have no idea what the proportions were.

140 posted on 03/19/2006 4:02:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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