Posted on 03/05/2006 6:25:43 AM PST by LouAvul
I want to buy a Glock. Currently my semiautos are Sig 200St and two 1911s (both Colt).
I don't have a 9mm yet have owned several: two Browning HPs and Sig 226.
I've never owned Glock and am leaning toward a model 17.
The concerns with Glock seem to be centered on the fact that there is no external safety for a semi-auto that remains cocked and locked.
There are also concerns about firing out of battery/kabooms.
However, the latter concerns are mostly for calibers other than 9mm and models other than the 17.
One poster from another forum:
This is also anecdotally more prevalent in Glocks although I suspect the huge number of Glocks in service contributes heavily here. It's also heavily centered on the .40 caliber. The 9mm Glocks are almost universally - even by Glock haters - acknowledged as exceedingly safe (as far as OOB and kBs go) and reliable.
Different poster, same forum, different thread:
9mm Glocks don't seem to be a problem for some reason... I think a big part of this is that the 9mms were considerably over-engineered. I think a lot of that over-engineering is why the .40 could be shoehorned into the same basic design with only minor changes. And I think that loss of margin is why the .40s, seem to be so much more problem prone.
I'm thinking that since the model 17 is the flagship of Glock that maybe they've worked out the bugs.
But instead he decided to make a decoration with it :o) Don't get me wrong they are great semi autos and I never leave home with out my g30
Just don’t shoot reloads the rifling is reversed and they blow up. Use factory ammo and its all good. Plus for a carry gun I would never ever have anything in it but factory ammo.
I carry a Glock 23 (compact .40 cal) myself. Never had a problem. Put hundreds of rounds through it. Replaced 1 recoil spring & post. Other than that it's been great.
BTW, I only use jacketed ammo & I don't reload. Not into it at quite that level.
I'll be putting quite a few more rounds through it in the coming months as the temperature gets more hospitable.
Next month, I'll be purchasing a G17 to shoot IDPA with. After that, I'll be getting a G21 for cold weather carry.
Was your friend hurt?
I've owned a M21 and a M30 in 45ACP. Loved them both. Currently love my H&K USP fullsize more, but in hot weather (the USP is the size of a Glock M21 and that means B-I-G), I'll happily carry my Glock M27 40 all day long in a Blade-Tech IWB. The cool thing about the M27 is that it accepts the M22 & M23 mags. It's easy to find the little plastic spacers to put on the mag so that a seamless grip is provided. I often compete IDPA with this setup.
My all the time carry is the Glock 26 (now with TRUGLO TFO sights) loaded with 15 rds Corbon 100gr +P PowRBall in a Glock 19 mag plus one in the pipe. I've been carrying it for years. It has over 10,000 rounds though it without a hiccup. Has never failed to feed, fire, or eject. I am utterly familiar with this weapon and it is utterly reliable, and very concealable even with the larger magazine.
"They NEVER carry a weapon with a round chambered unless they are actually in combat."
How do you chamber a round if your other hand is occupied, say fighting off an attacker or otherwise disabled?
Double action first round at around 9 lbs. pull, and semi at 4 from there. Lots like carrying a revolver - no manual safety. If you haven't taken out the threat in 8 rounds, well, slap another magazine in, pray, and get some training.
No sir, in that firing of the pictured weapon, he was fine. I think he had one scrape on his hand by it miss firing
He passed away from natural causes two years back
Natural causes = old age and alcohol. He was a great ammo loader, taught me lots of stuff and there is allot of things from him I own now
Just keeping things going :o)
This is not a new argument, but still it has not been resolved.
Fact. The stock Glock trigger pull is comparable to a 1911.
Fact. The Glock has no other safety aside from not touching the trigger.
Fact. A typical (unmodified) revolver has a trigger pull of at least twice that of the Glock.
Is the Glock more dangerous? Maybe, if you assume the amount to pull a trigger has something to do with safety, and it does, which is why some LEO departments actually add weight to the trigger. How about that nervous LEO holding a gun on a suspect? How about just sticking it in your holster, or pulling it out? Is the gun which requires twice the amount of trigger force (revolver) to discharge a round less safe then a gun which requires half that amount (Glock)?
EVERY gun I have ever owned had a selectable safety. Every one, except for the Glock. Yes, I had one, and I managed not to shoot myself. But, It did bother me that other then pulling the trigger, or it accidently being pulled, it had NO SAFETY.
I sleep well with the 1911 under my pillow. I didn't trust the Gock even in a drawer because I might have to fumble for it in the dark.
The Glock is the equivalent of a 1911 going off with the SAFETY OFF, with a round chambered, AND squeezing the hand grip safety, all at the same time.
You guys, you like the Glock? I don't have a problem with that.
But to compare a Glock to a revolver or a 1911, which at the very least requires that the grip safety be depressed before it will fire, are kidding yourselves.
If you're real perfect, you might not shoot yourself with a Glock, or someone else who you didn't intend to shoot.
You can't compare the two honestly. One goes off when a round is chambed if you pull the trigger. The other won't, unless the safety is off, and you grip it like you're going to shoot.
Don't like safeties? Buy a Glock.
John Browning invented the 1911 Colt .45 auto to be safe using only the handgrip safety.
Glock has a number of safety features built in, one of which is the protrusion on the trigger that acts as a safety.
Once again, the gun is only as safe as the person using it.
No matter how many safeties or safety features are built into the gun.
I'll bet you that piece would snuggle into my hand just right. We'll have to give it a test fit. OK?
The Glock has but one safety with a chambered round. You don't pull the trigger or something accidently pulls the trigger. That's it. Trigger, boom!
Neither are failsafe, but the 1911 has more built in "safe". You have to pull the trigger And the grip safety must be depressed, at the same time. .
You will lose this argument. The 1911 is a safer gun.
Tell us about the guns you didn't like!
I'm not argueing. Just stating some facts.
You can view the facts any way you wish and you are more than free to draw your own conclusions.
In ready to fire mode, the Glock does not require ANYTHING other then the trigger to be depressed.
The 1911 does. The grip safety must also be depressed.
It isn't just my conclusion. That is a fact.
The fact that some people may never discharge a Glock, because they are careful, does not change the physical requirements of these two firearms to go BANG!
Any time, at your convenience sir.
Aren't those the exact same facts that I stated? Go back and look at my posts.
I told you I'm not argueing with you about it. AD's are strictly caused by the user of the weapon. For whatever reason.
I should say some would never discharge a Glock, or any gun accidently, because they are careful.
But, there is the lack of that one extra safety on the Glock. You cannont deny it. It has nothing to do with human error. You could discharge either with human error. But, the 1911 requires TWO human errors vesus the Glock, which requires only one.
Humans of course, will never err. NOT!
Once again, the 1911 is safer then a Glock.
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