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Author says prehistoric humans were a lot like us [Jean Auel]
Register-Guard ^ | Tuesday, February 28, 2006 | Jeff Wright

Posted on 02/28/2006 10:36:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv

If someone calls you a Neanderthal, maybe you should take it as a compliment. When it comes to defending the reputation of prehistoric humans, you'd be hard pressed to find a better advocate than Jean Auel, the Portland author of the hugely popular Earth's Children series of novels... Auel first introduced readers to Ayla, a 5-year-old Cro-Magnon orphan girl adopted by a clan of Neanderthals, in "The Clan of the Cave Bear," published in 1980. In that and four subsequent books, Auel has honed her reputation for tireless research that allows her to place her characters amid the details of everyday prehistoric life.

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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

1 posted on 02/28/2006 10:36:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 02/28/2006 10:36:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah sure she wasn't there.


3 posted on 02/28/2006 10:43:42 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: SunkenCiv

"The five books have sold nearly 40 million copies in more than 30 languages, and Auel (pronounced "Owl") let out a secret Monday sure to delight her legion of fans: It's going to take seven, not six, novels to complete Ayla's story."



(Thanks for posting this!)
YES!! I've been reading this series since it first came out and Jean Auel does a LOT of scientific research before they are released--actually traveling to archaeological sites around the world, etc. The love story is wonderful too, although a bit graphic at times. I got to meet the author a few years ago at a booksigning, and she was very gracious. Can't wait for the next 2 books to come out! :-)


4 posted on 02/28/2006 11:47:36 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: SunkenCiv

Given her VERY SLOW rate of producing novels (several have come out years past the promised date), it is NOT good news to those of us who were hoping she would just get the series over with in the final book sometime soon. Some of the books have been excellent (the first two), while some have been her version of a prehistoric soap opera.


6 posted on 03/01/2006 3:56:28 AM PST by alwaysconservative (We all stand with Denmark now.)
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To: alwaysconservative
Ditto on the first two books in the series--Clan of the Cave Bear and The Mammoth Hunters. Great reads, both of em.
7 posted on 03/01/2006 4:10:54 AM PST by elli1
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To: SunkenCiv

I have read some of her books. The first one was okay then she started getting wierd.


8 posted on 03/01/2006 4:27:23 AM PST by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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To: elli1

Not having read any of her novels, I have a question. Does the author have any particular area of expertise when it comes to the subject of early Man? Is she a scientist like Michael Crichton? I'm just wondering how much to discount her opinion in these matters.


9 posted on 03/01/2006 4:41:19 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: SunkenCiv

Great series. Have read them all to date.


10 posted on 03/01/2006 4:48:03 AM PST by Dustbunny (Life is the sum total of the choices we make in life.)
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To: salexander; SunkenCiv; blam

For a REALLY interesting story, go here:

www.bigfootencounters.com

then, click on the link on the left side of the page for "Bigfoot creatures", then, on the page that opens, click on "The story of Zana", which is the last link on the page. It's a fascinating tale, and includes some pictures of a skull from Abkhazia, from a man claimed to be the result of a mating by a human male and a female bigfoot-like creature. The skull looks very similar to a Neanderthal skull, but the man died sometime in the 20th century.


11 posted on 03/01/2006 4:59:23 AM PST by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: salexander

"and the neanderthal was the most advanced hominid"

What, of all hominids? Are you mad?


12 posted on 03/01/2006 5:00:16 AM PST by S0122017
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To: salexander; SunkenCiv; blam

I might add that, according to the aforementioned story, the four surviving children of this creature all married humans and produced live, healthy offspring. It is taken as a dictum among zoologists that if two individuals can mate, and produce viable offspring that also may mate successfully, then those two individuals are of the same species, no matter how divergent their appearances may be. This brings up the intriguing possibility that bigfeet may be just humans whose ontogeny reflects a simple genetic recessive preserved by inbreeding.


13 posted on 03/01/2006 5:08:27 AM PST by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: S0122017

Cranial capacities of Neanderthals were larger than those of modern humans. Of course Neanderthals were not as technologically advanced as we are, but the argument can be made that they were neurologically advanced than we. There is more to intelligence than tool-making ability.


14 posted on 03/01/2006 5:10:51 AM PST by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: Tallguy

IMO, the article does a good job of presenting Auel. She has done a lot of research and I'd classify her first two books as 'edutainment.' Archaeology & anthropology are as much (or more) what I would call an 'interpretive art' as they are real science. The first two books (as I recall--read them in the 80's) touch on a lot of things--language development, medicinal herbs, development of weapons, domestication of animals, social structure... Most, if not all, of what we think we know on those subjects, as per prehistoric man, is speculative in nature anyway. Bottom line is that the story is fiction but the details are what I'd call (mostly) 'informed opinion.'

Aside from that, the books beyond the first two, are a waste of time.


15 posted on 03/01/2006 5:27:46 AM PST by elli1
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To: elli1

Thanks for the 'review'. I don't mind reading this kind of novel as long as it doesn't stray too much from the plausible. BTW, these kinds of stories have a limited "shelf-life" since a few new discoveries can invalidate a major portion of the storyline. IE. if geneticists conclude that interbreeding between Neanderthals & Cro Magnon's was not possible.


16 posted on 03/01/2006 5:47:43 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Renfield

Brainsize does not matter.

There are people with very large brains that are stupid, and people with far below average brainsizes that are geniuses.

In fact, although there is a positive correlation between brainsize and intelligence in modern humans, it is a very small one.

Quality is more important than quantity.
I think the neanderthals where civilised enough to hava culture, but to claim they are more 'neurologically advanced' is ridiculous. There is no evidence for it.


17 posted on 03/01/2006 5:59:06 AM PST by S0122017
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To: salexander

Actually, the mtDNA studies are a load of crap, and they don't show any such thing. Also, they don't claim that Neandertal was "an advanced ape of some sort", and they could not possibly show that "there would be no possibility of interbreeding".


18 posted on 03/01/2006 6:24:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: elli1

Mammoth Hunters was third; Valley of the Horses was second, and agreed, all great reads. :-)


19 posted on 03/01/2006 6:46:38 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: SunkenCiv
In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe."

Do you know of any scientist ever speculating what function the "broad bony bridge" would have?

20 posted on 03/01/2006 8:43:58 AM PST by Jessarah
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