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Toxic Toads Evolving Super-Fast
Discovery.com (not Discovery Institute) ^ | 15 February 2006 | Larry O'Hanlon

Posted on 02/15/2006 1:30:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: b_sharp; phantomworker
I don't really think there's much that can be done by humans to affect the climate. CO2 is only the third strongest greenhouse gas and what's mankinds contribution to the global total? And how much difference would a small percentage cut in CO2 emissions make. The two strongest greenhouse gase are: water vapor- first, and methane- second. There's not much that can be done about either of those.

There is also debate among meteorologists about what effect the increased temperature would have. It's possible that it could result in increased cloud cover, which would reflect back more of the incoming solar radiation, which would then mean cooling. There are way to many variables.

The problem is climate change takes place over long periods of time. The year to year variations cannot determine a pattern.

In a nutshell, no one knows what's going to happen. What if we get another Krakatoa type volcanic eruption? All the human efforts to steady the climate would be wasted.

101 posted on 02/15/2006 10:29:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Mine.


102 posted on 02/15/2006 10:29:30 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: metmom

Never thought of it that way. Thanks!


103 posted on 02/15/2006 11:26:35 PM PST by phantomworker (Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.)
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To: Coyoteman

Personally, I think more serious work is done by those who take an Irish Breakfast, especially compared to those who indulge in cognac soirees.


104 posted on 02/16/2006 3:56:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: b_sharp
re: Not in a scientific context it won't.)))

This is not a scientific context, and there're precious few scientists involved in this online discussion forum--what scientists I have known are not bossy, obsessive internet nags carrying water for a sneaky, cowardly overlord.

You can carp and squawk and be condescending, but you're still the equal of any other freeper and can't force others to bow to terms that you'd like to set. No white coat halos for evos.

105 posted on 02/16/2006 4:58:25 AM PST by Mamzelle (toadying to the GM?)
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To: Coyoteman
Post your spam, who cares or reads it?

Evos visit every evo thread, and keep posting spam, and keep annoying any who might be persuaded.

Why should we accept your terms, when you evos are incontinual bad faith on these discussion boards? You make a nuisance of yourselves to mods, you engage in endless tedious remarks like "you need to go back to biology class", coordinate your "two-minute gangups" where suddenly a group of evos will arrive at the same moment to post ad homs, insulting pictures of opponents, yeah, REAL science going on here--

Maybe you're out of work, but all this time you spend might be better used finding that tenured job of your dreams, when you can bully grad students instead of being an obsessive i-nag.

106 posted on 02/16/2006 5:05:22 AM PST by Mamzelle (Toadyman, you set no terms, but you do post spam)
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Animal breeders, livestock breeders at AG labs across the world can do it faster. But they've yet to make the New Chicken, the New Rat, or even the New Ladybug. When does evolution stop being merely selection out for type and variations, and starts leading to that Great Evo Hope--the new species?

When regular folks see the word "evolution" they have some assuptions about it (and your spam lists better be broadcast a little farther than obsessive reposting here on a few poorly-attended FRevo threads)--they expect it to have something to do with new species, or the reasonable expectation of some speciation event.

Evos here on FR play rather fast and loose with the definition of Evolution. On one thread, it is assumed to connote speciation. On the next thread, an evo is in a rage because an opponent assumes that evolution has a connotation of speciation.

No Freeper should be surprised to see an evo "arguing" in bad faith.

Now the Asberger-Syndrom control freaks are trying to ENFORCE a list of definitions. I'd like to point out that no freeper is under obligation to pay the least attention to any lists--it's just a sympton of evo OC behavior and we should not be "enablers" to it.

107 posted on 02/16/2006 5:25:38 AM PST by Mamzelle
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108 posted on 02/16/2006 5:34:44 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry
"But it's still a toad."

That has somehow inherited the BARBIE gene!

109 posted on 02/16/2006 5:37:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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Carolinagirleyman, You're what my coach used to call a "gutless wonder."


110 posted on 02/16/2006 5:56:30 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: metmom

The only thing is what about reports about the ozone layer in South America and Australia? Is it just hype or is it really happening that humans are starting to need to use more sunscreen etc to adapt to more UV radiation?

http://www.recyclingpoint.com.sg/Articles/20Oct2000Life_under_the.htm


111 posted on 02/16/2006 5:59:11 AM PST by phantomworker (Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.)
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To: blam; Carry_Okie; Chanticleer; ClearCase_guy; cogitator; CollegeRepublican; ...
ECO-PING

FReepmail me to be added or removed to the ECO-PING list!

ahh, the beauty of genetic variability!

112 posted on 02/16/2006 6:26:09 AM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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Gloriously Ironic Post Placemarker
113 posted on 02/16/2006 6:30:03 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: GreenFreeper

"I was a toad yesterday. I'm a toad today. I'll probably still be a toad tomorrow. *SIGH* There really is little room for advancement in my field."

With apologies to "Snoopy" who says the same thing about being a dog. :)


114 posted on 02/16/2006 6:44:48 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: phantomworker
I haven't been following the ozone layer issue recently. That seems to have fallen by the wayside with the global warming. We covered it in my meteorology classes some years ago. What I remember from that is that ozone depletion is occurring and one of problems aside from the increased risk of skin cancer is that as more UV gets through the atmosphere, it can increase the formation of ozone at the lower levels of the atmosphere. That can create it's own problems, especially in cities where there are smog alerts. The ozone is very irritating and can cause problems in people with lung conditions like asthma. It's also somewhat corrosive and causes things to deteriorate more quickly. While the article states that manmade ozone depleting chemicals are leveling off, it doesn't state that whether or not the ozone layer is still being depleted.

I've read several articles that vitamin D is actually preventive against some kinds of cancers including skin cancer. This has caused a real dilemma for those who advocate lots of sunscreen. Here's the link to an article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7875140/ I imagine that if I lived there where there was little or no protection against UV from the ozone layer, I would be more careful, too. But up here in the north, I don't worry about it. Between the clouds and staying indoors for so much of the winter, I don't think we're exposed to enough during the rest of the year to worry about, but that's just my opinion.

115 posted on 02/16/2006 6:54:08 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: b_sharp
Road signs in Arkansas and Mississippi:
"BRIGE MAY ICE IN COLD WEATHER"
116 posted on 02/16/2006 6:54:29 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: metmom

The hole seems to be shrinking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1050495.stm

Note that they directly attribute this to the global ban on PCB's. If we start making these chemicals again, the effect will reverse.


117 posted on 02/16/2006 7:01:01 AM PST by gomaaa
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To: narby

"Oh, OK. I guess that means that faith in God is false."

You seem rather preoccupied with trying to set up a dichotomy between religion and evolution yourself, while condemning those on the opposite side of the debate for doing the same.


118 posted on 02/16/2006 7:06:47 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: editor-surveyor

"What if they have advanced to their own destruction?"

Then their evolution wasn't quite so prescient after all.


119 posted on 02/16/2006 7:10:44 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: DaveLoneRanger

" I'm a very tall fellow; am I more highly-evolved (or less-evolved) than my short fellow man?"

It all depends upon context, apparently.


120 posted on 02/16/2006 7:13:22 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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