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1 posted on 02/13/2006 1:46:45 PM PST by lawnguy
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Well, referrals of course - referral comes from someone you know and whose opinion ans judgment you [more or less] trust - while Yellow pages acceptance standards are essentially unknown.


3 posted on 02/13/2006 1:53:18 PM PST by GSlob
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Great question. In the past I would usually pick a service company based on the size of the yellow page ad. Now though I own a window cleaning company and wouldn't do anything except by referral.


4 posted on 02/13/2006 1:55:15 PM PST by DouglasKC
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I have become jaded with the yellow pages and I've been very disappointed with personal referrals, too. Beginning a few years ago I go on my own observation. Like if I see Lawnguy's Lawn Service trunk in in front of a couple houses, I'd give them a try. I found great movers and pest control and internet service just from seeing their trucks. For services that are not so out there, I admit I'm influenced by radio ads. Much more so than by TV ads. I don't even look at mail fliers before I trash them.
5 posted on 02/13/2006 1:57:20 PM PST by A knight without armor
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First it must be a service that I am incapable of performing, either physically or financially, then it will be entirely 100% personal recommendation. As far as I am concerned, ad copy/marketing, is a lie from first to last word. After nearly sixty years of 'new and improved' pasted on the same old crap that costs ever more, whaddya expect?

I ain't gonna pay someone to mow my lawn or clean my house!


6 posted on 02/13/2006 2:00:53 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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Personal referrals are all I use.


7 posted on 02/13/2006 2:03:54 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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I use personal referrals and I have knocked on doors where I have seen work done to get them!


8 posted on 02/13/2006 2:08:15 PM PST by trimom
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I see I'm the first one here to say this, but I try to do and find everyting via the internet.  Something like a lawn service, well, most people probably wouldn't start there, but it's always the first place I look.  Usually, with something like plumbers or roofers, I end up actually FINDING them elsewhere, but if they were on the net, I'd have gone to them first.

That being said, I've recently hired several service companies for home improvements and went to all of them because they advertise on the radio station I listen to (WNPT, Salem Communications Bennett/Ingraham/Prager/Medved/etc.)  If they're willing to support a product I enjoy, then I'm willing to support them in their endevors.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

9 posted on 02/13/2006 2:08:26 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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A very interesting question.....

I try to use personal referrals with the Yellow Pages as a back-up.

If I'm interested in a specific company, I check to see if it has a website, and if it does and it's a clean, informative, well-functioning site, even if it's small, that's a plus.

Several days ago I checked one small local company's website and the owner and top management was each listed with title, responsibilities, years with the company, and email address. It was very impressive. I called them.

I also check the Better Business Bureau website for any company I'm interested in using. I prefer companies listed there and have sometimes uncovered companies that had poor histories.

Finally, when I see a company (even a tiny one) that maintains its trucks and equipment well and its employees wear shirts identifying themselves, they go on my list of potentials.

11 posted on 02/13/2006 2:21:48 PM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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Using the phone book for advertising is too expensive. Putting out fliers or simply going door to door seems a waste of time. Referals are great if they produce enough results.

I've been self-employeed in my own window cleaning business for 22 yrs. and I find the best way to get jobs is to have people see you actually doing the work. I must admit, 22 yrs. ago, I bought an existing company from an individual who owned a cleaning company and found the additional job of cleaning windows, too much work.


12 posted on 02/13/2006 2:25:21 PM PST by wolfcreek
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Referrals are first choice- unless it's for something obscure- then I'll go online or the yellow pages.


14 posted on 02/13/2006 2:29:29 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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For regular services, I'm not in the market that often because if I getting adequate service, I almost never change. When I do need a service I first think if anyone of my own clients can provide it.

After that it could be a referral or I'll if they have a storefront I might check it out...after that it's an Internet search, Anywho.com or Superpagers.com. After that it might be the local weekly advertiser, or the Yellow Pages.

My brother built a pretty decent service business that specialized in a form of kitchen remodeling, so there was almost no repeat business...he had some good referrals, but most of the business was from leads from Marriage Mail/ADVO or Valpak inserts. The response rate was low but he could cover a large area, and the cost of each piece was very low.

Obviously radio, TV, and newspapers work for a lot of local firms, but those media require a large enough business scale and geographic scope to be cost effective. I'm working on a very local direct mail piece which will have a pretty high cost per piece, but I can keep it very local, which for me means the most likely customers.

15 posted on 02/13/2006 3:03:13 PM PST by MRMEAN (Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
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I almost posted almost the very same kind of question here today myself. I sell and install kitchen and bath countertops. I know there's a good market for it since I've been doing it for years. I had one excellent source of referrals at a local kitchen and bath showroom, but that company changed ownership and the new guy just doesn't seem to understand the business. No Saturday hours, for example, which doesn't make sense to me. I've always gotten referrals from individual customers - and a lot of repeat business, but it's not enough. I need to replace the phone calls I used to get because of the showroom referrals. I have one nice 1/4 page ad in a local magazine, but it hasn't produced much of anything for the $750 it cost me. I do use yard signs and they do get some results, but not enough. So, I pretty much have the same question: where to put my limited advertising dollars?


16 posted on 02/13/2006 3:31:40 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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Use referrals and then the Yellow Pages.

So far, I'm batting about .500 with the Yellow Pages.

If I'm not satisfied, I cross them out of the YP.


18 posted on 02/13/2006 4:30:54 PM PST by beaureguard
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I'm doing a lot of research on starting my own business, and, hands-down, word-of-mouth & referrals are your best bet.


20 posted on 02/13/2006 4:58:46 PM PST by Fintan (Proudly wasting FReepers time since 1998...)
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I'd have to go with the majority of the folks here. Referrals first and the yellow pages second.

However, something I have found even more important is if you are going to give someone a bid to do work, be prepared to honor that bid, then show up and DO THE WORK.

Case in point, I recently needed to have my driveway re-surfaced. Its asphalt and due to a poor original installation, it had sunk in places. I just needed another layer added and the whole driveway smoothed over. I asked for bids from 6 different companies. Only 4 bothered to submit bids at all, and then one by one, after I accepted their bid, each of the companies either refused to do the work or wanted to scheduled the work 9 to 16 months down the road. It finally took someone just starting out in the business and wanting to make a name for themselves to get the job done. And I might add, they did a great job too.

I'm also finding this same problem with plumbers and electricians at well. Most are ready and willing to give you a bid, but when it comes to fitting you into their schedule, your lucky to even get them to answer the phone.

21 posted on 02/13/2006 5:15:32 PM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money (Replacing Dan Rather with Katie Couric is like replacing an idiot with an imbecile.)
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Would be interested in your thoughts on this subject.

Referrals, I would also canvass the neighborhoods where I had satisfied customers. Make some fliers and have kids pass them out, tell the neighbors that you are around and have happy campers.

23 posted on 02/13/2006 8:19:59 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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