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Super Bowl: Picture Proof of Big Ben's TD
Fox Sports Pittsburgh ^ | February 7, 2006

Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000



TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: blurryinconclusive; nfl; pittsburgh; seahawks; seattle; steelers; superbowl; touchdown; whocares
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To: Always Right
Why would someone who spent the time to try to prove Pittsburgh scored, not post the frame that shows the most forward progress?

Incompetence, or just a plain old mistake.

[B]ut this looks like the frame just miliseconds before the Seatle defender hits him, which would be the furthest Ben got.

The furthest Ben got is irrelevant. The only concern is how far the ball got.

181 posted on 02/08/2006 10:05:13 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Junior_G
Then why don't you post the frame that isn't late, the one that shows the ball breaking the plane?

I don't have the technical means.

182 posted on 02/08/2006 10:06:24 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Junior_G
If it was just one bad touchdown call, the Seahawks fans would be over it by now.

Certainly, but none of the calls were horrible. The Seahawks got several questionable calls against them, but they were all reasonable. Crap happens in every game. The refs did the best job they could. If you go out and beat your opponent, refs can't stop you.

183 posted on 02/08/2006 10:07:37 AM PST by Always Right
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To: mcg2000
Is that his knee or is he glad to see the Bus?
184 posted on 02/08/2006 10:08:10 AM PST by llevrok (NFL Refs for sale. Dial 1-800-Rooney)
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To: Petronski
Your arguments have dwindled into childlike stubbornness. Outside of Pennsylvania, you would be in a tiny minority of people who watched that game and didn't think the officiating grossly favored the Steelers. I think Aaron Schatz from FoxSports stated it well:

Pittsburgh fans may say this is sour grapes. So throw out anything that any Seattle fan has to say. But I have never seen anything like this in terms of fans of the other 30 teams taking to the Internet and complaining about the result of a game. People who had nothing to gain from the Seahawks winning. People who picked the Steelers in many cases. Fans of the other 30 teams are not supposed to complain about the result of a Super Bowl. Something went wrong.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310090

185 posted on 02/08/2006 10:08:48 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: SoothingDave
Ben's optimistic movement of the ball after the play was over was not a factor.

Then why did the ref wait until he ran up and saw the ball after the play to signal a TD. If the ref had saw the ball break the plane, he would have signal a TD long before he did. I can't believe everyone thinks the refs have super laser vision to make these calls and can not be fooled.

186 posted on 02/08/2006 10:10:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Junior_G

There's no spin about it. What about the catch and fumble that probably would have been recovered by the Steelers but was incorrectly called an incompletion? What about the illegal block in the back laid on Ben after his second INT that went unflagged? Bad calls went against the Steelers too. And accusing people of spinning doesn't change the facts.


187 posted on 02/08/2006 10:12:46 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: Petronski
The furthest Ben got is irrelevant. The only concern is how far the ball got.

Show me the money!!!!!!!!!!! Show me just one piece of evidence to support this theory that the ball clearly broke the plane. It simply does not exist and it isn't for the lack of cameras at the superbowl. Oh I forgot, the ref with his super x-ray laser vision saw it from 20 yards away.

188 posted on 02/08/2006 10:14:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: kevkrom; SoothingDave

I believe you are both wrong, if the playing field is 100 yards long and each goal line is at least six inch long that adds additional foot to the field.

The Endzone begin after the goal line. Therefore you must cross it to score.


189 posted on 02/08/2006 10:14:43 AM PST by usmcobra (I'm a Marine on currently on inactive status awaiting an eternal change of duty station)
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To: Petronski

"It's done all the time. You need a new screenname."


LOL! My very thoughts, even though mine's not much better!


190 posted on 02/08/2006 10:15:02 AM PST by toldyou
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To: Junior_G

Well, since Aaron Schatz (WTF?) has handed down his truth from on high, I suppose the matter is settled. Stubborn insistence on the truth might seem childlike to you or the great Schatz, but I cannot help that misapprehension.


191 posted on 02/08/2006 10:15:05 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: discostu

Seahawks fans think they got screwed. Pittsburgh fans say that the officiating didn't favor one side over the other. Fans of the other 30 teams think the Seahawks got screwed. Pittsburgh fans are wearing blinders.


192 posted on 02/08/2006 10:15:32 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: usmcobra

The white goal line is in the endzone.


193 posted on 02/08/2006 10:16:18 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

You should probably capitalize the word "truth" if you have assigned it a meaning other than the commonly understood one. You are now speaking about this game in near-religious terms, as you should since your arguments seem to be motivated by blind Steelers-Fan faith.


194 posted on 02/08/2006 10:17:29 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Kozak

Try viewing it as I did on HD at 106" and it still does not appear that that ball ever made contract with the white (goal) line.

And yes, I had the Steelers. That was some play.

I agree with the non-reversal if the replay wasn't conclusive. That's the rule.


195 posted on 02/08/2006 10:19:44 AM PST by romanesq
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To: Always Right
Show me just one piece of evidence to support this theory that the ball clearly broke the plane.

The line judge, who was there, called touchdown. I saw what he saw: the ball breaking the plane. The truth of this matter is not dependent on my ability to prove it to you, nor is it dependent on your ability to believe it. It is true because it is true.

196 posted on 02/08/2006 10:20:26 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: usmcobra

Don't care what you believe, the rule is the rule. Any part of the ball touching any part of the line is a TD. (Or a safety, coming out the other way.)


197 posted on 02/08/2006 10:20:40 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Junior_G
Pittsburgh fans may say this is sour grapes. So throw out anything that any Seattle fan has to say. But I have never seen anything like this in terms of fans of the other 30 teams taking to the Internet and complaining about the result of a game. People who had nothing to gain from the Seahawks winning. People who picked the Steelers in many cases. Fans of the other 30 teams are not supposed to complain about the result of a Super Bowl. Something went wrong.

It's one thing to have an opinion or to complain. But to do so from an ignorance isn't a real strong position. Countless times the rules of football have been explained. Countless times the correctness of "controversial" calls have been demonstrated. Countless times the "bad" calls in Seattle's favor have been overlooked.

At some point, you have to factor in the severe hatred for the Steelers many other fans have. A columnist in Dallas may have predicted the Steelers to win, but that does not make him a Steeler partisan.

SD

198 posted on 02/08/2006 10:21:25 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Junior_G

Not blind Steeler faith, wide-eyed focused faith on what was visible before me on television and is visible on the tape.

Your persistent denials surely have their own explanation, which does not concern me.


199 posted on 02/08/2006 10:22:46 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Junior_G
You should probably capitalize the word "truth" if you have assigned it a meaning other than the commonly understood one.

By the way, are you suggesting this depends on what the meaning of truth is? LOL

200 posted on 02/08/2006 10:24:28 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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