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Game's third team upstaged Steelers, Hawks
ESPN ^ | 2/6/06 | Michael Smith

Posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:10 AM PST by highlander_UW

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To: sinkspur
I still think that if Tony Dungee's son doesn't commit suicide, the Colts are the Super Bowl champs today.

As tragic as that was, I'm not sure how it caused Peyton Manning and the Colts offensive line to be hopelessly confused by the Steeler 3-4 defense.

This entire game looked like something out of the pre-season.

It looked to me like the defense on both sides of the ball were playing at a higher level than either offense unit. We have become accustomed, due to the rule changes over the last 20 years, to post season games generally being offensive shoot-outs with the occasional interception or fumble being the "big play". The game last night was kind of a throw back to the 70s where defense ruled and the occasional offensive "big play" made the difference.

But looking at those two teams, that makes sense.

181 posted on 02/06/2006 12:40:26 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: highlander_UW; cardinal4
but it's not only Seahawk fans that saw how horrific the officiating was

A lot of uninformed viewers out there.

182 posted on 02/06/2006 12:42:10 PM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: beyond the sea

The ball shot way out there. The Steeler was running for it, but pulled up when the official in that area came pointing at the ground.

If it had been closer, and scooped up, the red flag may have come out, but the ball was left all alone by the defender...poor choice on his part.


183 posted on 02/06/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: PETEPARSLEY
Michael Smith ?? Senior Writer ??

If you have information on the hiarchy within ESPN, go ahead and share it. I don't care if he's a senior writer or some beat writer...he's accurate.

First of all there are 32 teams in the NFL. I know that Bill Cowher will be back to the drawingboard come April. Teams will be preparing to beat their opponents EVERY week not just the steelers.

Go back and read what he wrote instead of just complaining. He said 31 teams will be preparing to beat the Steelers...it'd be stupid for him to write 32 teams because, and correct me if I'm wrong here, the Steelers don't normally try to develop a game plan to beat themselves.

This Smith guy is a real P U T Z

Although he makes more sense when one utilizes reading skills.

184 posted on 02/06/2006 12:42:17 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: cardinal4
Like I posted earlier, the Seahawks lost because Pittsburgh played better.

It's statements like this that undermine your whole post. No, they didn't play better. They won because, at the end of the game, they had more points on the board...but they were outplayed on Offense, Defense and it was about a push on special teams.

185 posted on 02/06/2006 12:43:55 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: sinkspur

Come on. You are being small at best, and whiner at worst.


186 posted on 02/06/2006 12:44:05 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: newgeezer

You got it. 2nd Qtr. It was on a pass to Ward I believe.


187 posted on 02/06/2006 12:44:50 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: beyond the sea
A lot of uninformed viewers out there.

That's right, the majority of Americans are wrong, but a handful of Pittsburgh fans are the "informed" ones. Trying to develop some form of elitism in the Steel city?

188 posted on 02/06/2006 12:45:32 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Ditto; joyspring777
I actually think he could have still caught the pass without the push -- he had the inside already. But it was most definitely a push off. Receivers do it all the time and usually get away with it, but you can just about guarantee when you do it in the end zone, directly in front of an official not 10 feet away, you will get a flag.

So right. I'm not wishing at all to sound judgmental, but you are just stone-RIGHT! I think he probably would have caught it too. He just picked a bad place to break the rules. Sort of like robbing a bank with 10 policemen standing behind you.

189 posted on 02/06/2006 12:47:16 PM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: camle

When push comes to shove...you gotta trust the NFL system for choosing the officials.

I understand they used to keep ref squads together. Now they are composed of the highest graded officials from all crews.


190 posted on 02/06/2006 12:48:00 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: Hatteras
My point was that the officials should have converged later on in the game on the low-block call against Hasselbeck for "blocking" the guy with the freakin' ball. ----

See # 163.

191 posted on 02/06/2006 12:49:22 PM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: joyspring777

I don't think it's arrogance, I've seen the interview where Marv uttered the immortal "like any other game" line (I doubt Marv invented the idea, he was just the first guy caught on tape admitting it). Basically his idea seemed to be to avoid stressing out his players and staff, we've all seen teams have problems with the stress of the playoffs and Super Bowl (just last night in fact, both offenses seriously suffered from "OMG I'm in the SB"), and instead the Levy method is to say you're a good team, you were good enough to get here and that should be good enough to win here. The problem comes in when you run into a coach that knows how to amp up the planning without inducing stress.

I'm not sure Shanahan had much of a choice, while the rest of the world was signing Plummer's praises Shanahan saw Jake every day in practice, nobody knew better than Shanahan if Jake the Mistake was really gone or just on hiatus, and I think game planned accordingly. I mean we saw what happened once the Broncs were down by more than one score, Jake couldn't win the game on his own they had to get the run game going and trust their defense to get some stops. Neither happened, they needed Jake, and Jake the Mistake came back.


192 posted on 02/06/2006 12:51:10 PM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: highlander_UW

Here is the deal, I think.

The network probably gave the same number of players from each team an opportunity to pose with the trophy.

If one remembers, in hockey, many players feel they should NOT touch the Stanley Cup unless they win.

It could be that some Seahawks turned down the opportunity. If that is the case, the networks are under no obligation to say...Ok we need four guys total...

If Seattle's key guys did not want to...that is Seattle's fault...not the network.

Myself...I did NOT like the commercials with those guys. It did not bring me closer to the game or any of them.


193 posted on 02/06/2006 12:53:54 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

Not a poor choice at all, once the ref blew his whistle and pointed to the ground the play was done, nothing about a red flag could have changed that. Once play is ruled over you can't challenge to get anything that occured after that point, because they know players stop when the whistle blows and it would be unfair (and possibly unsafe) to reward a player for not stopping when the refs said the play was over.


194 posted on 02/06/2006 12:56:43 PM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: discostu

Everyone knows Shanahan scripts the first 15 plays or so.

I believe they were the worst first 15 plays I have ever seen from Kubiak-Shanahan.

My thought was...ewwww! Did Kubiak just cost himself his shot at Head Coaching...they were that bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


195 posted on 02/06/2006 12:57:00 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: highlander_UW

Im not a Pittsburgh fan, Im a Redskins fan. It sucks to lose the Super Bowl, I know. But there is always next year..


196 posted on 02/06/2006 12:57:01 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: camle
when your team loses, blame the officials, when your candidate loses blame the ballot boxes. do I sense a theme here?

Low blow and something I would not expect on this forum. It was who was in charge of counting the votes that was the problem not the ballot boxes.

197 posted on 02/06/2006 12:58:01 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: joyspring777

That may be, although I doubt it. But as I mentioned previously, I think that was just a reflection of media bias...but I'm used to that. I didn't really care about that part, other than to notice and laugh at it. What bothered me was the officiating probably changing the outcome of the game. How can someone who is tackling the ball carrier be flagged for a personal foul for a low block?! He wasn't blocking anyone, he was making a tackle.


198 posted on 02/06/2006 12:59:24 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: discostu

You are referring to the "down by contact" rule. True.

I just don't know if that was the call there or not.


199 posted on 02/06/2006 12:59:52 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: cardinal4
Im not a Pittsburgh fan, Im a Redskins fan. It sucks to lose the Super Bowl, I know. But there is always next year..

Indeed there is...God willing. So I can wish your team good luck next year (although not when they face the Seahawks...but I'm sure you'll understand).

200 posted on 02/06/2006 1:00:38 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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