PEEPIN' STEPHEN: Stephen Baldwin, a born-again Christian, plans to snap photos of license plates of people going into a Nyack store once it's a sex shop, then publicize their names. Photo: Djamilla Rosa/WireImage.com
Posted on 01/18/2006 8:08:47 AM PST by Liz
PEEPIN' STEPHEN: Stephen Baldwin, a born-again Christian, plans to snap photos of license plates of people going into a Nyack store once it's a sex shop, then publicize their names. Photo: Djamilla Rosa/WireImage.com
Actor Stephen Baldwin has his shorts in a bunch over a sex shop opening near his estate in Rockland County.....
The least-known of the Baldwins, Stephen, a born-again Christian, parked himself outside the Route 59 location in Nyack and took snapshots of construction workers walking in and out of the building.
Once the smut shop opens in a few months, the 39-year-old star of "The Usual Suspects" plans to photograph patrons' license plates and run their names in the local newspaper to shame them from ever returning.
His beef is that the store is within a quarter-mile of the community's residential area. "This is a thoroughfare that I drive by many, many times as do college kids, mothers with their children," Baldwin said.
He said he and other residents protested at Nyack planning-board meetings and asked the owner, Quintus Algama of Hollis, Queens, to choose a more distant location, but he wouldn't listen.
In addition to selling sex toys and porn, the shop will also feature video booths where patrons can watch hardcore flicks in total privacy.
"These guys want to do this business, God bless 'em. That's between them and God. They'll have to deal with that for eternity. But the people of Nyack do not want this location where it is," Baldwin said.
Baldwin said he's already enlisted the help of dozens of students of nearby Nyack College who'll be at the store the day it opens to protest.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
Which does exactly what for him? It WON'T get him roles in movies. The quickest way to end your career is to claim Christ.
Do you think it is OK to photograph patrons of a legal business and publish photos referring to them as immoral people? Please try to answer without changing the subject.
It is NOT the Christian's duty to drive sin from the world by force, intimidation, coercion or other force... That is the ideology of ISLAM.
Christianity respects the free will of man, it says inform the sinner of the sin, try to help them repent, but it does not say that it is your duty to force them to comply.
Those that think that it is their duty, are following more the path of Islam than Christianity.
Jesus died for our sins, Mohammed would kill you for yours.
Committing sin against others, in order to coerce or intimidate them into "living right" has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
You made a statement, I asked a question regarding that statment. It's you who is changing the subject.
Yes. If it's so moral to be there, why be ashamed? Because it ISN'T moral.
We have several of "those" stores in my rural area. They are NOT close to a neighborhood or school.There's a simple sign that says "Adults Only" and "Book Store"
It is NOT a sin to expose anothers sin. If it was, you could close all the courts and lay off all cops for the "sin" of arresting lawbreakers. I'm talking about morality and not legal sin. By your premise, we could expose lawbreakers "sins" either.
Committing sin against others, in order to coerce or intimidate them into "living right" has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
Jesus didn't fashion a whip and drive the sellers and moneylenders from His Fathers house? Baldwin objects to this place being near a neighborhood where kids are exposed.
I'm sure if you read my previous posts, you will see that I stay on subject. You will also notice that my questions, especially some simple questions to you, go unanswered.
Let's try again.
Do you think it is OK to photograph patrons of a legal business and publish photos referring to them as immoral people? Yes or No?
Your concept of dark/light is different than what I understand.
Also, why do you not allow a Christian the free will to protest sin? Protesting is not sinning...maybe you have a different experience than I know about. To me what they are doing makes sense and is not a sin.
Have they done something illegal not referenced in the small part of the article posted?
Seconded.
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I haven't a clue who you think you're talking to. That was my first post to you, when I asked "How does one "make a moral stand" without a decision about what or who is moral?".
Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. Frankly, at this point, I don't care if you answer my question.
Stephen Baldwin is no longer a dem....is now a republican. Took him time to get use to it since he was so indoctrinated into the loon way of thinking.
If an electrician, as one example, was called to the store for repairs and later found his photo published as a patron, how would anyone who knows him, including his family and customers, know that he was not a patron? Would not the publication of these photos imply that these people are immoral? I have been in an adult bookstore. Do you think I am immoral? If so, in what way am I immoral?
I never said it was.. you as a Christian are to inform the sinner of their sin.. that is all. It is still up to them to turn away from sin or not of their own free will.
If you see a sinner sinning and say nothing to them, their sin is upon you.. however once you have informed them and they continue to sin, that is not upon you. It is NOT a Christian's job, responsibility or duty to coerce the sinner from sin, it is not the Christian's duty to intimidate the sinner away from sin. You do not sin against another "to save them". To believe you engage in such activity to drive others from sin is not in the least bit Christian.
No, Baldwin doesn't OBJECT to it, he attempts to enforce his will onto the sinner. He is engaging in harrassment and coercion, not verbal or moral objection. He is not making an effort to change the laws or other items, just trying to force others to bend to his will.. and then attempts to use his "born again" status to justify his utter hypocricy in the matter.
Would he park in a vehicle that says he's an electrician> Are you assuming Baldwins blind? Does the electrician carry his tools inside? In open view?
I have been in an adult bookstore. Do you think I am immoral? If so, in what way am I immoral?
I answered this sort of. Were you in a neighborhood? In plain view of children? What you do is up to you. Exposing kids to this is different.
Did you tell Jesus that whip was out of line?
"So instead of "come on in and have some coffee" it's "come on in and have some sex!" You people must be awfully tired in Arkansas!"
Jest don't have the hamhocks, beans and onions 'till afterwards....makes the bumpin' anda grindin' a possibly explosive event if ya eatem before!
Would it matter what kind of vehicle someone parked? Suppose it was the salesman for KY Jelly? Or the neon sign rep?
Your response to my questions:
"I have been in an adult bookstore. Do you think I am immoral? If so, in what way am I immoral?" wasn't an answer.
You qualify it by asking "Were you in a neighborhood? In plain view of children? What you do is up to you. Exposing kids to this is different."
Your response would indicate I am not acting in an immoral fashion under those conditions. Why then would it be right to photograph and publish photos of patrons and imply they are immoral?
well said!
Protesting sin, does not include intimidating the sinner or harrassing them from their ways. When Jesus came upon the prostitute the crowd was about to stone, did he harrass her? Did he intimidate her? When he came upon the Adulteress did he threaten her? Did he harrass her? Not at all.
Jesus said no one reaches the Kingdom of Heaven except through me.. he DID NOT SAY ALL MUST COME TO ME BE FORCED INTO DOING SO.
What this guy is doing is sinful, just because his intentions may be good, does not negate the sinfulness of his actions. To protest something is one thing, to harrass and intimidate is quite another. Jesus never taught that free will was to be restricted, or that those of faith should impose their will onto others. Those who are saved may be saved because they willfully come to Christ, not because they obey out of fear or reprisal for not doing so.
What they are planning to engage in is harrassment, pure and simple. It is not going to accomplish anything and its going to do nothing but make all Christians look like hypocrites.
What was the most effective anti-abortion marketing campaign ever devised? Was it the protestors who scream and holler at women going to the clinic? Was it the the ones that portray body parts blown up on the side of the road? No, not even close. The most successful that ever existed was the Arther D. Moss foundation ads... they never condemned or harrassed a single woman, but offered a positive simple honest alternative and a reason why.
These groups had their time to protest at council, hell even protesting after the place is opened I could care less, though I believe it will ultimately be unsuccessful... in fact its just going to draw more attention and curiosity to it by the kids they are claiming to be protecting. However the attempt at intimidation and harrassment that they are proposing to use as part of their "protest" is clearly sinful, and not at all Christ-like.
Christ never said, go forth, and drive sin from the world.. not once did he say that was our duty or requirement. Sin is here, its here to stay... and even the most pious of us commits them. Mohammed believed he was the avenging angel of God, and set forth on many a campaign to kill all the hethen or force them convert or die.
What these guys are planning on doing is more in line with Mohammed's teachings than anything Christ taught.
Let me ask you a question. Why would they be embarrassed? Hmm?
Your response would indicate I am not acting in an immoral fashion under those conditions.
You can sin all you like. I object to it in front of kids which is Baldwins point. Keep this out of neighborhoods.
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