Posted on 01/10/2006 11:09:01 AM PST by commish
Edited on 01/10/2006 12:59:51 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Maybe his mom is a sport writer??
Gads. I feel old because I have a lot of those baseball cards.
Rice over the goose????
People obviously chose the top reliever and hitter in their minds.
Turns out he did get less than 10% of the vote, but why would you say this? Just because the guy was a prick shouldn't keep him excluded, particularly with his numbers. Unless you state that the guy was 'roided up, it's an absolute joke that someone with his numbers isn't in there: his 162 game average for home runs and rbi's is 40 and 130, respectively. He was an All-Star 5 times in 12 years, and finished in the Top 5 for MVP 3 times. And the man had 9 years in a row with 100 or more rbi's, including 2 years where he only played in 106 and 143 games.
Why shouldn't he be in?
You deserved to get in.
If I had a vote, I'd vote for Dave Parker.
He played for eighteen seasons and for about five years while he was in Pittsburgh he was the most complete major league outfielder I've ever watched.
The fans and the media hated him so I doubt he'll ever see Cooperstown.
Awards are a piece of the puzzle; they certainly help. But they definitely don't tell the whole story. And players who play for bad teams shouldn't be punished for not making it to the post season. Teddy Ballgame didn't spend much time in the post season, as I recall.
I think Bert's strikeouts, shutouts, and wins speak for themselves. We'll just have to disagree on it. I don't think Morris's numbers stand up as well.
I was being sarcastic.
So are strike outs, which is one of the primary stats the pro-Bert people are touting. Fine, he had a lot of shut outs and (I believe) won the 3rd most "1-0" games of all time. What other reasons are there to vote this man in? When was Blyleven ever considered to be anything ever than an above-average pitcher? He was never considered dominent; never considered to be anywhere near the elite.
In this day and age of better training regimenes, just because one played long enough to accumulate great stats doesn't mean they're HOF worthy. Bert is a prime example. And I should throw Tony Perez into that mix. Who would you rather have on your team - Tony Perez or Jim Rice, Albert Belle, or Andre Dawson?
Good question. Let's compare the career #s:
Sutter: 12 seasons, 2.83 ERA, 861 SOs, and a World Series ERA of 4.70 in 8 innings pitched.
Gossage: 22 seasons, 3.01 ERA, 1502 SOs, and a World Series ERA of 2.63 in 14 innings.
No, we can't just disagree - I'm right and you're wrong. (/sarcasm)
As I stated in response to another poster, my main problem with Bert is that I just don't think he was anything more than an above-average pitcher, regardless of the teams he played on. It just seems to me that we're allowing in players who were above-average, but played long enough to have career stats that look good (although Bert's shut outs is nothing to spit at, regardless of the length of his career). Nolan Ryan and Steve Carlton both played on teams just as bad, but look at their numbers in comparison.
It was a joke that Sutter had to wait this long to get in, and it's a complete joke that Gossage and Smith are not yet in. Hopefully within the next few years.
He deserves it.
Is Sutter the first Mennonite in the Hall of Fame?
Hopefully this is what the goose needed for next year
Teddy Ballgame's credentials were also impeccable. Heck, he defined 'American' with two stints in the Marine Corps flying combat and being one of the best, arguably The Best, hitters of all time. How could any ink-stained wretch argue with that? Jim Rice on the other hand.....
What about Mattingly???
Dwight Gooden and Rick Aguilera actually received votes? Even this Mets fan is stunned!
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