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"Are Men Necessary?" Who's asking?
The Denver Post ^ | 11/15/05 | Diane Carmen

Posted on 11/15/2005 7:32:36 AM PST by Millee

I was reading "Are Men Necessary? When Sexes Collide" last week on the stationary bike at the Y, and the men around me were sweating even more than usual. "So what's the answer?" one said nervously.

Maureen Dowd scares guys, so my familiar comrade in cardio wasn't exactly comfortable with me multitasking with the ultimate alpha female. "I'll let you know next week," I told him.

Sure, Dowd and I have a few things in common. We both grew up in working- class families with lots of brothers. We both started college in 1969 and have careers in the newspaper business.

There the similarities end, however, so reading her sly, dishy, cynical take on gender relations was like poring through a Lonely Planet guide to Bangkok.

I couldn't help but wonder what it would be like to live in such an odd place.

I mean, really, I was working a 6 a.m. shift at a newspaper in Portland, Ore., and rearing two kids when Dowd was sharpening her stilettos - and her wit - at GQ, Cosmo and the Washington Star. She was dating Michael Douglas and Aaron Sorkin in New York while I was arguing with a belligerent teenager in Denver. While I was worrying about paying for new snow tires, she was buying $100-an-ounce wrinkle creme. No wonder we have such different perspectives.

The premise of "Are Men Necessary?" - oversimplified - is that Dowd thinks men don't like smart, successful women, and smart women are so demoralized by this rejection, they resort to slutty clothes, Botox and plastic surgery in a desperate attempt to land a husband the sleazy, cunning, prefeminist way.

Honestly, I think she needs to turn off "Sex and the City" and get out more.

Since I haven't exactly been immersed in the singles scene, I called several smart Colorado women to find out what it's like out there.

"What a hilarious question," said state Rep. Morgan Carroll, an Aurora lawyer, who thinks Dowd is seriously behind the curve. "I'm actually seeing a resurgence of men who are growing bored with the counter-feminist culture."

There definitely are media pressures "to doll us up" and sell us beauty products, Carroll said, "but I'm seeing the pendulum move the other way. There are more men who are bored with empty women. They're much more intrigued with smart, independent women."

Chris Watney agreed.

A graduate student who has worked in the U.S. Justice Department, on Tom Strickland's Senate campaign and at the Colorado Children's Campaign, Watney said the whole notion of smart women buying "The Rules" and getting boob jobs to land a mate is ridiculous.

"If we were to use those tactics to get a date, the guy would surely be gone by the second date," which in Watney's case might be climbing a fourteener "with no makeup and my hair in a ponytail."

Still, in Colorado a woman can be too smart, even for fellas who give every indication they are secure about their manhood.

Amy Slothower and Jennifer Winther said the fastest way to scare away a man is to mention Harvard. Slothower calls it "dropping the H-bomb."

"I lived in New York for a while, and most of the men I encountered there had similar educational experiences and were successful in their own right," she said. If they asked her where she went to college, she didn't hesitate to drop the H-bomb. They didn't duck and cover.

In Denver, however, she saves that information until at least the second date.

Winther, who has a Ph.D. in biology and is heading to Harvard for a post-doc, said she rarely brings it up. "It's a turnoff," she said. Heck, for most guys, "just being in science is intimidating."

The whole topic is a minefield, for sure, but if there's anything on which smart women seem to agree, it's the answer to Dowd's provocative rhetorical question. It's definitely no. In post-

feminist America, men are not necessary.

But once they learn to cope with their insecurities and their chromosomal inadequacies, they can be a whole lot of fun.


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To: Millee
"Are Men Necessary?"

For real live women?

Yes.

For cold empty she-bot shrews who pay more attention to their "self fulfillment" and their matching handbags?

No.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. No man deserves to have to deal with heartless Shemales.

21 posted on 11/15/2005 7:53:51 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
Feminists have ruined women

Steer clear of generalizations. I am a woman woman, an my husband would agree that I am not ruined.

22 posted on 11/15/2005 7:55:29 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Millee

..the ultimate alpha female...

**
Dowd? I don't think so. More accurate:
the ultimate awful female


23 posted on 11/15/2005 7:58:02 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: Millee

I hate feminists! They forced me from my life of wife and motherhood, into the hard, steeley, stress-filled, work world. I in turn, taught my daughter that success means dollars....and now, even though she's successful in the work/business sense, she feels totally inadequate in the wife/mother sense.

DOWN WITH FEMINISM! We want men.


24 posted on 11/15/2005 7:58:24 AM PST by colorcountry (That's what happens when you fall for a pistol. (No, no, I don't mean no gun.))
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To: teenyelliott

"Are Men Necessary?"
For real live women?

Yes.

For cold empty she-bot shrews who pay more attention to their "self fulfillment" and their matching handbags?

No.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. No man deserves to have to deal with heartless Shemales.

&&&
I was trying to think of a great answer, but yours says it all.


25 posted on 11/15/2005 8:00:39 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: Millee

"Are Men Necessary?

Not in France or the US Congress


26 posted on 11/15/2005 8:00:44 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Valor is a Gift.Those having it never know for sure whether they have it till the test comes)
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To: colorcountry
Sing it, sister!!

27 posted on 11/15/2005 8:01:12 AM PST by Millee (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!)
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To: Millee
They're much more intrigued with smart, independent women."

Not that so much as they like the extra income. More money is always good.

28 posted on 11/15/2005 8:01:40 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: EX52D; peacebaby; Millee

My man IS necessary...


I love AND **gasp** need him

these feminist need to get a grip

without men us gals would

have already driven each other insane

with PMS


29 posted on 11/15/2005 8:03:43 AM PST by PaulaB
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To: Millee

30 posted on 11/15/2005 8:04:46 AM PST by r-q-tek86 (When I move, I slice like a freaking hammer)
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To: PaulaB

I think men are very necessary! My husband and all the other men in my life. I enjoy them all.


31 posted on 11/15/2005 8:06:05 AM PST by peacebaby (I'm not overwhelmed! I'm just the right amount of whelmed.)
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To: parsifal

Wow, I'm not that kind of woman. I don't need a man for money or to nag. I don't need a Cosmo mag for sex secrets either.


32 posted on 11/15/2005 8:06:24 AM PST by EX52D
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To: EX52D
I don't need a man for money or to nag.

Hmm. Maybe we're not so essential after all.

33 posted on 11/15/2005 8:08:11 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: peacebaby; PaulaB

I couldn't imagine a more dismal existence then life without hubby/father/brothers/friends/sons etc. The whole premise of this book is quite frankly, disgusting.


34 posted on 11/15/2005 8:09:49 AM PST by Millee (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!)
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To: Millee
Watney said the whole notion of smart women buying "The Rules" and getting boob jobs to land a mate is ridiculous.

Now JUST WAIT A COTTON-PICKIN' MINUTE!!!

There's nothing wrong with boob jobs!

35 posted on 11/15/2005 8:10:18 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: Mike Bates

LOL...I'm sure you're kidding.


36 posted on 11/15/2005 8:10:24 AM PST by EX52D
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To: PaulaB

Paula, I couldnt agree with you more.

9 weeks of gender integrated training and I was darn thankful we had men keeping 60 females from killing each other. It's those damn pheremones.


37 posted on 11/15/2005 8:10:26 AM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: Millee
Still, in Colorado a woman can be too smart, even for fellas who give every indication they are secure about their manhood.

I think any fear about a too smart/too successful woman is that they will be dissatisfied-- eventually, at least-- with a less smart/less successful man and cheat or otherwise treat him poorly and be antsy to leave the relationship. It's probably not just stupid paranoia on our parts, I bet.

38 posted on 11/15/2005 8:10:35 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Felicity Fahrquar
And I sure as hell don't know any men she makes "nervous" - "laugh like hyenas" is another matter altogether.

She's a very insecure successful woman. It would be hard to be nervous or scared around her. You sort of pity her.

39 posted on 11/15/2005 8:12:46 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: EX52D
For me, men are "very" necessary...

Only so much you can get out of something from a factory, eh?

40 posted on 11/15/2005 8:13:56 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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