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Apollo 11 - Was it real or a hoax?
Brooklyn, New York | Nitro

Posted on 10/24/2005 1:08:48 AM PDT by Nitro

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To: Nitro
take a scraping from any sweaty part of any body and you will find an entire universe of life.

I believe I'll pass on your generous offer. But thanks anyway.

81 posted on 10/24/2005 6:58:34 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: Nitro; Zeroisanumber
Tell him to point the Hubble telescope at the moon and show us the remains of those missions. I would love to see a few old LEM's and the flags.

They did already

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/hubble_moon.html

The flag & rovers are too small to see

82 posted on 10/24/2005 7:16:41 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Nitro
Maybe these will help:

Are there telescopes that can see the flag and lunar rover on the Moon?

Did astronauts really go to the Moon, or is it a hoax?

83 posted on 10/24/2005 7:23:34 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: Semper Vigilantis
Oops - forgot one that addresses why you can't see stuff on the moon with the Hubble.

Why do pictures of distant galaxies have higher resolution than those of nearby planets?

84 posted on 10/24/2005 7:28:24 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: Nitro
Why is it that re-building the Saturn-5 is impossible today?

Well one of the reasons is that the engineering drawings no longer exist. These were the days before CAD-CAM so all those prints had to be kept in an environmentally-controlled warehouse. Usually the gov't votes to stop preserving the tooling & drawings at the request of the manufacturers -- who would love to design & build the next generation.

You can make a lot more money on engineering studies than you can actually building what you designed...

85 posted on 10/24/2005 7:40:26 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Because they destroyed the jigs and other tooling necessary, because nobody makes 1960s-vintage computer hardware anymore, because nobody writes code for 1960s hardware anymore (and they didn't save the source code), because the Saturn V was designed and built before environmental regulation ran amok...

If we still had the Saturn V hardware, it would be a possible to re-equip the system with new computers running modern code. If a B-52 can still fly after all these years there is no reason why a Saturn V could not also.

Your point about the Jigs, Tooling & Prints being destroyed is the real reason.

86 posted on 10/24/2005 7:47:56 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Nitro
Ask NASA... can we rebuild the Saturn 5?

Don't need to. We've got one in the garage...

And as for the moon.... trust me, I was there.


87 posted on 10/24/2005 7:48:23 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Tallguy

"If we still had the Saturn V hardware, it would be a possible to re-equip the system with new computers running modern code. If a B-52 can still fly after all these years there is no reason why a Saturn V could not also."

Unlike the BUFF, the computers on the Saturn V are critical to safely flying the thing. Test-flying an expendable vehicle to make sure you coded it right is kind of pricey.


88 posted on 10/24/2005 8:11:48 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Unlike the BUFF, the computers on the Saturn V are critical to safely flying the thing. Test-flying an expendable vehicle to make sure you coded it right is kind of pricey.

Everything is pricey when you're dealing with expendable rockets -- no argument there. But when you couple the capability & reliability of modern electronics with our more advanced abilities to simulate flights using supercomputers, I'd say it would be do-able. We're talking about a hypothetical-with-a-hypothetical, of course. None of this was ever going to happen.

89 posted on 10/24/2005 8:38:42 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Nitro

You don't need the Hubble, you can see the remains of the lander with a regular toystore telescope. Go poking around the sites eventually you'll find for small circles arranged in a square, that the legs of a lander.


90 posted on 10/24/2005 8:46:21 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: Tallguy
See post number 53.
91 posted on 10/24/2005 9:02:02 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

The plans still exist:

From http://tafkac.org/science/saturn_v_blueprints.html

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SATURN V PLANS

Despite a widespread belief to the contrary, the Saturn V blueprints have not been lost. They are kept at Marshall Space Flight Center on microfilm.

The problem in re-creating the Saturn V is not finding the drawings, it is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960's vintage hardware (like guidance system components), and the fact that the launch pads and VAB have been converted to Space Shuttle use, so you have no place to launch from.

By the time you redesign to accommodate available hardware and re-modify the launch pads, you may as well have started from scratch with a clean sheet design.


92 posted on 10/24/2005 9:22:18 AM PDT by Starter
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To: Semper Vigilantis; Starter
Thanks for clearing up that misconception. I had heard that the plans were missing from a friend who is a die-hard NASA aficionado. Not sure where he got the info, but it could have come from that book mentioned in the article.
93 posted on 10/24/2005 9:32:47 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Nitro
Why is it that re-building the Saturn-5 is impossible today?

Because this guy said so?


94 posted on 10/24/2005 10:44:39 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (It might be Waterloo, but Delay is Wellington.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; King Prout

Wanted you guys to see this...


95 posted on 10/24/2005 12:34:11 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Never lose your childish innocence. It's the most important thing.)
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To: Nitro

It was a hoax.

I watched them film it in my back yard in Central Pennsylvania just before I went blind from the moonshine!


96 posted on 10/24/2005 12:45:00 PM PDT by Herakles
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To: Nitro; Southack
Why is it that re-building the Saturn-5 is impossible today?

Cost, retooling, and the technology is way out of date. Try to find all the companies that made the parts for that behemouth.

97 posted on 10/24/2005 1:59:37 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Nitro; Casloy
and you know this..... how?

I worked with Apollo engineers and met some of the Apollo astronauts. Do you believe I helped fly a spacecraft to Venus? (I did)

98 posted on 10/24/2005 2:01:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Nitro
Tell him to point the Hubble telescope at the moon and show us the remains of those missions.

Hubble cannot resolve those. Sorry.

99 posted on 10/24/2005 2:03:02 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Nitro
Why is it that re-building the Saturn-5 is impossible today?

It's not, but why do you say it is? It won't be rebuilt, but an even better launch system is already in late design phases.

100 posted on 10/24/2005 2:03:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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