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Whining about Miers.

Posted on 10/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Allen H

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To: Black Tooth
OK. But this begs the question. How can you emphatically trust someone that for whatever reasons, fails to secure our borders, (during wartime yet) drives spending through the roof, and signs every social spending program that crosses his desk?

Same question, same answer: Because court appointments is the one thing Bush has been consistent and consistently good on. How many times do you need to read that? It's not good enough for you? That's up to you.

181 posted on 10/08/2005 12:09:47 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: USS Alaska
NO, you have the right to express your point of view even if I don't agree with you! :) and I don't agree with your view... but I am tired of repeating myself! - It feels good to let it out.. no? :)

I should add, see? I could not discipline myself LOL, what I find distasteful is the idea that we - the 'bitchers' should just "keep quiet" and not say anything, anything! agains our saint Saint Bush... LOL... hu, I am just kidding, but you get my point.

182 posted on 10/08/2005 12:10:17 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: Allen H
I'm a political historian so please don't be coy.

Bush 41 didn't even know Souter.

I am scared of being burned with another suiter


183 posted on 10/08/2005 12:12:20 PM PDT by DC Bound
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To: bkepley
OK, so your answer to #179 is yes.

OOOOK.

184 posted on 10/08/2005 12:13:27 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: bkepley
OK, so your answer to #179 is yes.

OOOOK.

185 posted on 10/08/2005 12:14:03 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Nephi
As I suspected, you cannot back up your original contention that there is a market for embryonic stem cells.

That's because there is no market. You were simply wrong.

186 posted on 10/08/2005 12:17:07 PM PDT by sinkspur (American Staffordshire Terriers should be bred out of existence.)
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To: Black Tooth
OK, so your answer to #179 is yes.

Do you even know what "non-sequitur" means?

187 posted on 10/08/2005 12:17:08 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

Yes, I got your vote. You'd continue to trust me. No problem.


188 posted on 10/08/2005 12:18:17 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth
..if I lived in a neighborhood with a high murder and crime rate, with great potential for bad guys to sneak into my home and kill me, and I decided to refuse to lock my doors and windows and secure my home, would you trust me?

Not in matters of home secutity, certainly:) But that wouldn't disqualify you from being knowledgeable and dependable in other areas. You might be an excellent accountant, for instance, whose advice in tax matters would be very safe to trust.

Just my take; I know many disagree.

189 posted on 10/08/2005 12:19:44 PM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: Black Tooth
Yes, I got your vote. You'd continue to trust me. No problem.

You got my vote for what?

190 posted on 10/08/2005 12:20:46 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: sinkspur

You don't know when you've been beat. I feel sorry for you.


191 posted on 10/08/2005 12:21:11 PM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Allen H

OK, I need to understand this better. I would like either nephi, or one of the other anti-Miers posters on here to summarize for me the content of the conversations W. had with the Gang of 14 and other Senators that led him to believe he would better served nominating Miers instead of a "known" conservative, and why he's wrong.

Otherwise, I'll assume they have no friggin clue.


192 posted on 10/08/2005 12:22:01 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: MrNatural
And if my home was full of kids and others depending on my decisions, you'd still trust me cause I may be a good accountant. Very good. So you would continue to trust me too.

Got it.
193 posted on 10/08/2005 12:22:51 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Allen H
If the nomination of Miers is what it takes for some so called "conservatives" to stop voting Republican, then their values don't mean much to them in the first place.

I dismiss threats out of hand. The best approach for a party to woo votes is for the party to express the principles it will not compromise, and the compromises it is willing to negotiate. And then the party learns if those expressions are politically winning, or not.

Don't blame the voter. Listen to what the voter wants, then woo (or dismiss) the voter. When a party dismisses a vote, it should do so in such a way that is not overtly insulting. The party might be able to woo that voter sometime in the furture.

194 posted on 10/08/2005 12:23:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Nephi

Sinkspur is making you look foolish. Let it lay...


195 posted on 10/08/2005 12:25:23 PM PDT by ez (W. quells 2 consecutive filibusters and gets 2 religious people on the court. Bravo!!)
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To: Allen H
Allen
I disagree with the differences between this fight and actual combat. Who will be reviewing the rights of Jihadi detainees? How about the hundreds of thousands killed via "convenience" abortions? The right of the government to seize my property? Freedom of speech in the political process?

These are the questions that shape the future of our republic. Face our demise is more like to be accomplished from internal forces than that of an external military.
196 posted on 10/08/2005 12:26:31 PM PDT by MCPO Airdale
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To: Nephi
See this is where you go wrong. Maybe if you really read all this below, you'll understand. Maybe. We'll see. You assume some things about me that you don't even know and can't substantiate. I give faith to no man freely. I am a Christian first and an American second and a Republican third. The day the Republican party stops standing for the principles of my first duty, is the day I stop being an American. And the day this country stops standing and fighting for the principles of its founders and the Bible they believed in, is the day I find another country to call home. I support Bush because of prayer and deliberation, not what party he belongs to or because he asked me to. I do not trust easily, and when I do, it is only until I have reason not to. I personally believe that the military should be placed on the borders, the Minute Men should be embraced and given grants, and that the budget should be trimmed and pork be eliminated. And when I first heard who got the nomination, I stood at the kitchen sink that morning, making my coffee, and loudly and angrily cursed Bush only because of who she WASN'T, not because of who she WAS! That was stupid, and that is what many conservatives have done, and they haven’t moved much past that since then unfortunately.

Then I did something truly radical! I actually went and looked at her history and what she's done with her life, what she's done on the Bush administration, what her beliefs are, what all she's done in her very conservative evangelical Church the past 20 years, how she's from Texas and always been conservative even when she was a Democrat when the whole STATE was HUGE MAJORITY Democrat controlled, the kind of person she is, who her friends are and how they are out supporting her and how they happen to be well known very conservative people and organizations. Along with the fact that her and Laura Bush are close friends, and only a fool would suggest that Laura Bush is anything BUT a strong conservative Christian. THEN I took the unprecedented action of praying that Bush was right and made the right call based on his decade+ long professional and personal relationship with her and she was a real constructionist that would adjudicate that way on the court, and I turned it over to God, that it would turn out that way. Now, I simply stand on that decision I made, until such time that it becomes evident that she was not a good pick, IF that happens.

To me, this is not primarily political. It is an act of faith after over a week of research, deliberation, weighing personal endorsements by those who are known conservatives and personally know her for many years, and in no small part, prayer. I simply do not feel in my heart that this is a mistake, like I remember feeling with Kennedy and Souter. I remember feeling that Scalia and Thomas was a home run while it happened, and that breyer and ginsburg were horrible cancers on the Judicial branch. I also recall never being too impressed with o'conner. And as it turns out, I was right on ALL of those. The same with Roberts so far. I used the same process when each happened to decide for MYSELF. Listening, research, deliberation, and prayer. So if my take on Miers is wrong, it will be the first time, and that happens, but NO ONE will convince me of that until it actually happens. NO ONE has a crystal ball, and until someone who is a proven conservative who has known Miers personally for years, comes out against her, no one has the insight or knowledge to prove that she is not right for the Supreme Court. That's just plainly flatly how it is from a factual standpoint in reality. Just like I believe that we will be victorious in Iraq because the cause is just and right, and freedom is the right of ALL humans, NOT just those lucky to have been born into a nation where it already existed before them. First and foremost though, I believe about this the way I do because I prefer to stand in strength in belief of what God willing, WILL BE, based on fact and evidence, and I choose NOT to stand in fear and trembling of what God forbid, MIGHT BE, based on agenda driven secular opinion and supposition from a distance. I guess it's just how I choose to see things. It's just that simple.

Time will tell. And in a few months, I don't believe those making these comments about Miers and Bush and those of us here supporting her nomination, will be here singing the same tune. Frankly, I don't think any of them will have the brass to be in any Miers thread at all, which is typically the case when someone goes out on a limb to vilify someone and is then proven wrong. If Miers turns out to be a souter or even an o'conner, I will be greatly disappointed, but ultimately all things happen for a reason, and I believe Bush to be a man of God who has prayed about this nomination, and I believe that Miers is a woman of God who believes her faith is meant to support the law of this land, not be removed from it in all ways. And given that believe, I don't know how else to proceed than to think that this nomination will be for the good of the country, and the SCOTUS. Bush has proven, if nothing else, that he is a Christian and he takes his relationship with and faith in God VERY seriously, and no one can or should question that. We will see.

197 posted on 10/08/2005 12:29:09 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Nephi

The First Rule Of Hole Departure: Stop digging!


198 posted on 10/08/2005 12:30:00 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: ez
You're asking Allen H, whose convoluted logic for supporting Miers is essentially because Bush, the Nixon Republican, couldn't count on the liberal wing of the senate to go to battle with him on a Luttig, JRB, Edith Clement or Michael McConnell, (jurists the Christian right hoped for,) he had to settle for an unknown, (who is known for her Christianity) and now, it is the secularists that are opposing her nomination that was made to make the Christian conservatives happy who aren't happy with her nomination afterall, to explain someone else's view?

This should be fun.

199 posted on 10/08/2005 12:31:45 PM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Spiff
" It is about Bush promising to nominate justices "in the mold of Scalia and Thomas" and then Bush failing to keep that promise and instead nominating an unqualified political crony."

The precise and exact issue.

200 posted on 10/08/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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