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Important Observation About JetBlue Landing
News | September 21, 2005 | me

Posted on 09/21/2005 8:25:21 PM PDT by HighWheeler

After looking carfully at the replays of the JetBlue landing tonight, I noticed during landing that the nosegear flames and fires were pulsing on and off during the landing. The flames became quite fierce during the "roll"out of the aircraft, but would diminish and suddenly flame-on strongly again.

If you watch the landing carefully, you will see the times that the flames pulse on are the moments when the nose gear is scraping on the painted stripe on the runway.

This is very significant.

The FAA, airlines and manufacturers are always concerned with fire and especially fire avoidance and fire suppression. Fire is the number one enemy of ships, aircraft, and buildings. The fact that the tarmac paint could erupt in flames is a highly significant observation, especially where sources of flames are always a priority in accident investigation.

Imagine if there had been any available fuel source from the plane associated with this landing, leaking fuel, hydraulic fluid, or lubricant. The outcome could instead have been a significant disaster. The FAA and these airfields will need to find a far less flamable paint for these stripes.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: airlinesafety; flight292; jetblue
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1 posted on 09/21/2005 8:25:21 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler

Next time try a series post.

Yeah, the painted strip might ignite the whole LA basin.


2 posted on 09/21/2005 8:26:39 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: HighWheeler

The sparks were caused by friction of the metal parts of the nose gear contacting the cement. I don't think the paint on the runway entered into it.


3 posted on 09/21/2005 8:27:37 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: HighWheeler

Good Point, Is there such a Non Flammable Paint the will withstand all those TA/L and be cost effective ?????


4 posted on 09/21/2005 8:27:47 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: HighWheeler

Very good observation. I too noticed it and mentioned it to grandpa. He said the paint was burning even though the commentators kept saying the tires were on fire. It was quite obvious.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 8:28:40 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: HighWheeler

Here is the video


Watch the paint stripe

http://www.asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/jet_blue.wmv


6 posted on 09/21/2005 8:29:04 PM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: SamAdams76
I don't think the paint on the runway entered into it.

Sure it did. Paint is flammable.

7 posted on 09/21/2005 8:29:09 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: HighWheeler
I was under the impression that emergency services had sprayed down the tarmac w/ anti-flammatory chemicals, and that these bursts of sparks were when the tire stem hit less saturated areas.
8 posted on 09/21/2005 8:29:30 PM PDT by Shqipo (And so the great battle starts...)
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To: BearWash

check the video, then make your comment.


9 posted on 09/21/2005 8:30:16 PM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: HighWheeler

This may also ahve been the ground up magnesium of the wheels being scattered and burning and maybe just coincidental that the wheels/gear was centered over the stripes.


10 posted on 09/21/2005 8:31:36 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: HighWheeler

You sure it wasn't the other way around that the paint stopped the sparks and the landing gear only sparked when it hit bare tarmac?


11 posted on 09/21/2005 8:31:37 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: HighWheeler

Stripes were flaming up alright


12 posted on 09/21/2005 8:31:58 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: satchmodog9

Did you look at the video? Check again.


13 posted on 09/21/2005 8:32:41 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: satchmodog9

Yeah watch the video. I think he mas made a good observation.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 8:33:49 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: HighWheeler
If the wheel is made of aluminum, then the fire was probably caused by a combination of aluminum dust and rubber which burns like a blow torch. These just happen to be two key ingredients for making certain types of rocket fuel.
15 posted on 09/21/2005 8:33:49 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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16 posted on 09/21/2005 8:33:49 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: SamAdams76
I agree-- the nosewheel wasn't exactly on centerline-- it wasn't paint on fire at all. It was sparks from metal on concrete, sparks that appeared to flare up and then subside, probably in time with the weight of the aircraft shifting up and down on the nosewheel assembly as the aircraft slowed.

Notice he used most of the runway that was about 10,000 feet long-- I don't think he used any brakes, since the weight would have shifted forward onto the nosewheel, causing the gear to dig in and making it more likely for the nose gear to collapse.

He did an outstanding job, all considered.

17 posted on 09/21/2005 8:34:31 PM PDT by zipper (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: SamAdams76
Watch the video and keep in mind at what points the flare-ups occur and when they stop..

It seems to be all related to whether the gear was on the painted portion of runway or the unpainted.

It was like a light switch turning on and off.

18 posted on 09/21/2005 8:34:34 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: umgud
I'm not sure the color was right for magnesium.

The amazing thing to me is that the front strut still functioned after all that -- you would think the heat would boil the fluid and seize it.

19 posted on 09/21/2005 8:34:47 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: cmsgop

lol!


20 posted on 09/21/2005 8:34:58 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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