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New New Orleans: how about a Venice model?

Posted on 09/02/2005 12:51:35 PM PDT by orionblamblam

If New Orleans is rebuilt jsut where it is, it will always risk flooding. Well... how about they work *with* that? Instead of streets, have water-filled canals. Boats instead of cars. Homes and buildings on stone pillars to get 'em above the water, but surrounded *by* water.

Heck, might even spur on development of practical amphbious family cars.


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To: JoJo Gunn
Dry land surrounded by what?

A future disaster area, if NO is rebuilt where it currently sits. We see eye to eye on this.

Katrina wasn't a worse-case hurricane for NO, and look at what she did. A 'cane heading toward NO due northwest would only have to be a Cat 3 for truly Biblical destruction.

41 posted on 09/02/2005 5:28:33 PM PDT by grellis (Alles mit Gott und nichts ohn' ihn)
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To: grellis

My thoughts wander to what New Orleans would be if we left it (the inner city proper). For me it's hard to imagine a city without suburbs, which of course is what suffered the most damage. Unless you want to take a gamble rebuilding in a water bowl, (unfortunately now a literal toilet bowl), what can you do to house the population that works there unless you build higher and higher?

Would California type codes be enough?


42 posted on 09/02/2005 5:57:28 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn

> Dry land surrounded by what?

Water. Just like Honolulu, just smaller.


43 posted on 09/02/2005 7:07:15 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam

How much of Honolulu is under sea level, and what are the odds of it being in the path of a category 5?

I of course can't stop people wanting to rebuild there, and even President Bush fanned the flames of rebuilding yesterday, (plus I know how it feels to give Fate the finger).

Que sera sera....


44 posted on 09/03/2005 5:50:28 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Drew68

Gondola-by shootings.


45 posted on 09/03/2005 5:53:10 AM PDT by reg45
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To: konaice
Pump it out just long enough to doze it flat, salvage the trash and let it flood again.

And call it Lake Katrina

46 posted on 09/03/2005 5:54:22 AM PDT by reg45
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To: JoJo Gunn
build higher and higher?

That is the ONLY solution for rebuilding that makes any kind of sense to me. As an Arkansas FReeper pointed out, "We've got all the rock you could ever need right over here." If it were done development by development, it could be done. I am beginning to think that ultimately the insurance industry will put the kybosh on any plans to rebuild. If Katrina has shown anything, it has certainly shown that the former "build" of NO is now virtually uninsurable.

47 posted on 09/03/2005 7:09:08 AM PDT by grellis (Alles mit Gott und nichts ohn' ihn)
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To: grellis

Going higher is what I touched on with the California type building codes. I'm just a layman, wondering about high rises in 100 mph plus winds. (What I understand of it all, if a building can be designed to sway, it'll probably hold up in terrific winds?).


48 posted on 09/03/2005 7:55:05 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I think the best approach would be two-pronged: First, development by development, build the ground up. Literally. Pile on however many metric tons of rock and soil it will take to get that development at least 10-15 feet above sea level. The higher the ground, the less work for the levees. Second, focus rebuilding homes and businesses using the same technology that goes into building monolithic domes. Yes, they are God-awful ugly. However, they were designed specifically to withstand this kind of catastrophic event. That is just a starting point.

People should be encouraged to seriously consider relocation. No, it is not easy to leave an area where one has spent their entire life. Neither is burying the dead.

49 posted on 09/03/2005 9:04:45 AM PDT by grellis (Alles mit Gott und nichts ohn' ihn)
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To: JoJo Gunn

> How much of Honolulu is under sea level,

Non sequitur with regardsd to the question at hand.


50 posted on 09/03/2005 9:58:44 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Shouldn't that be "Elderly Man River?"


51 posted on 09/03/2005 10:03:16 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: JoJo Gunn

Honolulu is a cesspit. One of the ugliest places I have ever been. It has a constant cloud of smog that hang over it all the time and is trashy as all getout.


52 posted on 09/03/2005 10:05:13 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: orionblamblam

Okay, so it doesn't follow why Honolulu was brought up at all.


53 posted on 09/03/2005 10:33:23 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I'm just a layman, wondering about high rises in 100 mph plus winds. (What I understand of it all, if a building can be designed to sway, it'll probably hold up in terrific winds?).

None of the highrises in downtown N.O. had any significant problems, and it was a cat5 which means winds were as high as they will ever get.

54 posted on 09/03/2005 12:49:58 PM PDT by konaice
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To: JoJo Gunn

Read it in context.


55 posted on 09/03/2005 3:34:24 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
I answered it in context.
56 posted on 09/03/2005 11:30:32 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn

> I answered it in context.

Incorrect. Attend:

1: *Parts* of it are gone. The skyscrapers, Superdome, etc. are all standing structurally more or less intact on dry land.

2: Dry land surrounded by what?

3: Water. Just like Honolulu, just smaller.

4: How much of Honolulu is under sea level, and what are the odds of it being in the path of a category 5?

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Note the original statement that parts of NO are still on dry land, surrounded by water. This is not only true for Honolulu, but every other city in the known universe, startign with Manhattan and including Phoenix. The dry land the city may be sitting on may well be rather extensive in size before you get to the surrounding water, but the fact remains.

The parts of NO that are below sea level are... below water. Those not below sea level are not below water. And thus those parts remain relatively sound and functional. Abandoning them to move up river a few miles woudl be financially silly.


57 posted on 09/04/2005 7:27:47 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam

Look, moron, you brought up Honolulu, I answered it. I don't know what your problem is, but you'll simply have to find someone else to unload on.

See ya around....


58 posted on 09/04/2005 4:12:34 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn

> Look, moron

Find somewhere else to be.


59 posted on 09/05/2005 10:36:25 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: konaice

The History channel had a few shows about the WTC yesterday, one showing the design, actual construction, et al, and Yamaguchi(?) designed the towers to withstand 150 mph winds, so there's one answer to my questions.

All the excavation they took elsewhere, to another part of the island, and it's now one of the richest pieces of real estate in the world (Battery Park). We know that like it or not they're gonna rebuild New Orleans - might as well fill the bowl as best they can, it seems to me, though for all I know it might be a task on the order of the Hoover Dam or Panama Canal.


60 posted on 09/05/2005 1:33:56 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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