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Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels
Contractor UK ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Contractor UK

Posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:03 PM PDT by Bush2000

Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels

Open source web browser Firefox has lost the momentum it has steadily gained since it was unleashed last year, according to Web analysts at Net Applications.

The online portal’s unique Hit List service reveals a slump in the Mozilla browser’s market share, falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July.

Coinciding with its demise, was the advance of Microsoft's IE that has gained some of the ground surrendered in June, climbing back from 86.6 % to 87.2% last month.


The revival for the dominant browser comes on the back of average monthly losses of between .5 to 1% for Redmond, as Firefox started to gain acceptance among a wider audience than just tech-savvy users.

When asked by Contractor UK whether Microsoft’s sudden gains were from the unveiling of a new IE, Net Applications said a re-launch tends revive industry interest, and could have bolstered Microsoft’s market share of the browser market.

When a company launches a new product, there is always renewed interest in what the company has produced and it would also be fair to say that this may have had an effect, said a member of the Hit List team.

Although, there have been browser issues with Windows 2000 in the news, so it is possible that again you may see a dip [in Microsoft’s market share]. Right now, people are looking for security and whenever there are issues with the security of one's system, they will use what they feel will be the most secure.”

Besides Net Applications, web developer site W3 Schools, confirms that adoption of Firefox is falling, just as IE is reaching its highest share of the market in 2005.

According to W3's data on specialist users, Microsoft IE (6) enjoyed a 67.9% share in July, improving to 68.1% in August matched against Firefox’s top share of 21% in May, which has now dropped to 19.8% for the last two months.

Observers noted that both sets of analysis concur that Microsoft’s loss, up until now, has been Firefox’s gain, but over the last month roles have reversed.

Security fears concerning Mozilla and its browser product have recently emerged, coinciding with Microsoft’s high-profile trumpeting of its new safer browser product (IE 7), complete with glossy logo.

Experts at Net Applications said they were surprised at Firefox’s sudden retreat, saying they expected a slow down before any decline.

Yet they told CUK: “Whenever there may be problems with security, there always is a decline with users changing browsers.”

Data from the Web analytics company is based on 40,000 users, gleaned from their global internet operations, prompting some commentators to question the so-called ‘global decline’ in the Firefox market share.

The Counter.com reportedly finds that between June and July, Firefox actually increased its share by two points, and overtook IE5 for the first time ever.

The Web Standard Project suggests webmasters should treat data from web analysis providers with caution, before rushing to make service changes.

So what can we conclude?” asks the WSP, a grass roots project fighting for open access to web technologies.

“Not much: Mozilla-based browsers are probably used by just under 10% of the web audience and their share is growing slowly. IE5.x is probably used by somewhat less than that and its share is declining slowly. IE6 is roughly holding steady.”

Meanwhile, Spread Firefox, which measures actual download rates of the browser, reports that it took just one month for the Mozilla Foundation’s showpiece to reach 80 million downloads in August – from its July total of 70 million.

At the time of writing, Firefox had been downloaded 80701444 times, meaning adoption rates of over 10m occurred one month after Net Applications says Firefox bolted in light of the dominant IE.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
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To: flashbunny
First, web servers are a product that MS actually tries to make money on, unlike IE.

Clue phone: We're talking about ownership of Web standards here. Not server revenue. Apache may, in fact, have the largest web server market share (on WWW, not within corporate firewalls, though), but the pages that it serves up are designed entirely for IE. Owning the front end is extraordinarily valuable to MS. It means that Apache and other web servers aren't in control of the content where the rubber meets the road... And, as I said earlier, I would prefer to see American commercial interests driving this facet of the Web, not a bunch of OSS zealots -- who would give away any American advantage to a bunch of foreign losers...
81 posted on 08/26/2005 8:49:06 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Hank Rearden
And nobody will give a spit.

Well, nobody except the >80% of the world's computer users.

Sheesh.

MM (Firefox user, BTW)

82 posted on 08/26/2005 8:49:06 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: Golden Eagle

I guess being in the WTO means that China can't be placed in Tier 4 eh? Damn those politicians!


83 posted on 08/26/2005 8:49:22 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: flashbunny
Apache runs on all sorts of operating systems - not just windows.

Then quit putting a graph of Apache up attempting to claim anything about Windows webservers, since they aren't differentiated in the graph. Elementary, to most.

84 posted on 08/26/2005 8:50:22 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: PAR35

They have fixed that, you now get upgrades not whole new programs..


85 posted on 08/26/2005 8:52:10 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Incorrigible

"Maybe it's because companies are consolidating web servers and Windows can handle it better than Apache."

HAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA.

Do you have any experience running admin on web servers? Installing them? Optimizing tem?

The people that take it seriously - when it's run by the geeks in charge and not some executive who makes decisions on brand name alone - they chose apache. Overwhelmingly.


86 posted on 08/26/2005 8:52:27 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: flashbunny
The people that take it seriously - when it's run by the geeks in charge and not some executive who makes decisions on brand name alone - they chose apache.

Past tense, noted.
87 posted on 08/26/2005 8:53:22 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Golden Eagle

"Then quit putting a graph of Apache up attempting to claim anything about Windows webservers, since they aren't differentiated in the graph. Elementary, to most."

How clueless and or dense are you?

I NEVER MENTIONED WINDOWS SERVERS!!! I MENTIONED WEB SERVERS GENIUS!

ALL webservers, NOT just windows. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OPERATING SYSTEMS!!!!

And unlike IE, it's a produce MS tries to make money from! That is why it is significant!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD, IF YOU CAN EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT THE ISSUE IS!

Sheesh, you and bush2000 will grasp at anything.


88 posted on 08/26/2005 8:54:57 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: flashbunny

Stop screaming, Gomer. You're beginning to soil yourself.


89 posted on 08/26/2005 8:55:55 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000

Oh, should I now highlight how you spelled "attornies" wrong before?

Ok, they CHOOSE- as in present tense, as in will in the future - THEY CHOOSE APACHE!

MS has peaked on web server share, and it will only go down. The trend is always towards reducing costs, and it's a game MS can't win, unless it decides to offer their web server for free.


90 posted on 08/26/2005 8:56:59 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: Bush2000
I'm not screaming, genius. I'm highlighting the obvious for people to dense to realize it on their own.

(to make it clear, it's you and your buddy tin turkey, seen here in the photo below)


91 posted on 08/26/2005 8:58:26 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: flashbunny

LMAO, there you go with the big fonts again when your BS gets exposed! ROFL again!


92 posted on 08/26/2005 9:00:11 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: flashbunny
The people that take it seriously - when it's run by the geeks in charge and not some executive who makes decisions on brand name alone - they chose apache. Overwhelmingly.

ANOTHER lie. IIS has dominated the Fortune 500/1000 for years.


93 posted on 08/26/2005 9:02:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Bush2000

Don't be a fool.

I work for a fortune 5 company who does a ton of work on China. Everything within the borders of that country belongs to the government or is subjected to surveliance by the govt. We have to assume our corporate network in that country is breeched.

I would not think that 'forcing' the chinese to sit in a room with lawyers is a good comparison, because it just does not happen.

BTW, I love Microsoft. Without them, I would be broke and on the street.


94 posted on 08/26/2005 9:03:09 PM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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To: Bush2000
Be my guest and try to debunk it. Go ahead. I dare ya.

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"falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July..." = "demise"

It is self-debunking -- to anyone other than a self-delusional MSheep...

95 posted on 08/26/2005 9:03:35 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Golden Eagle
wow, you two are dense. Do you act this obtuse because you can't win on facts?

What BS got exposed, turkey boy?

How you tried to say I was talking about windows or operating systems or jellybeans or whatever the hell you said I was talking about, when I clearly (I even included a colorful picture for the slow witted) was talking about WEB SERVER SHARE?

I guess that really is your strategy- act like fools on any threads concerning open source, make one point then move to the other, falsely accuse other posters of saying something they didn't - and then go the good old "commie" route when things get really tough. All because you can't win on facts. Just act like little children until the people on the other side give up in exasperation at your idiotic behavior.

You guys are a real asset to MS - if they wanted to short their stock and destroy their company. You could be hired by them to be part of their elite "shooting ourselves in the foot" team...ready, aim, fire - "Hey, bush2000, I just shot off my big toe! That will show those open source commies!!!"
96 posted on 08/26/2005 9:06:03 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: TXnMA
self-delusional MSheep...

Just one of the 90% of Americans who use their products, obviously as we can clearly see here there are some lunatics in that remaining 10% fringe.

97 posted on 08/26/2005 9:06:22 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3

Thanks. In that case it is probably about time to update. I started at about 0.7 and have upgraded 2 or 3 times since then.


98 posted on 08/26/2005 9:07:36 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tree of Liberty

I tried the FF feeds and prefered TB over the FF feeds. im going to check out the link you sent me thanks!


99 posted on 08/26/2005 9:08:00 PM PDT by suzyq5558 (Liberals disgust me and fill me with loathing..... foolish people.)
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To: flashbunny
What BS got exposed

ROFL you still don't get it? You put up a chart of Apache then tried to claim it showed Windows servers declining when actually Apache runs on Windows. And you're still arguing about it, LOL.

100 posted on 08/26/2005 9:10:10 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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