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FR Baseball: W/E 8/7..Palmiero sucks!..Wild NL East; Yankees are DEAD; who gets the NL Cy Young?
one man's opinion...

Posted on 08/08/2005 7:17:31 AM PDT by ken5050

OK, all you Freeper baseball fans..exciting week on and off the field. As usual, let's recap the races, then we'll talk about off the field shenanigans...


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KEYWORDS: bosux; mlb
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To: GraniteStateConservative

little pinky misses this start..next time out..goes one inning..and his back seizes up....OUCH..


161 posted on 08/10/2005 2:06:35 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

I just don't understand your question. Playing 500 at home is not the best, but I can't call it sucking. They're second in the wildcard, how is home/road breakdown relevant?


162 posted on 08/10/2005 3:39:51 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski; ken5050
They are the ONLY team without a winning record at home which is in contention for the WC (that is to say, good teams), so you can call it sucking. Teams play half of their games at home and GMs are supposed to pick players that play well on the home field. Road success is seen as ephemeral, and that the law of averages will catch up to them and drag that record closer to .500 as the season goes on. So, they have to count on playing well at home. The Indians don't play well at home and that's probably a leading indicator of a poor record the rest of the way.

So, I wanted to know why your team plays so poorly in Cleveland. It should be a concern to you as a fan. Those home games are games MLB sets up so that every team has a chance at a good overall record, and the Indians are pissing away that gift.

ken5050 may have some thoughts to add.

163 posted on 08/10/2005 4:14:01 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
so you can call it sucking.

No, you can.

So, I wanted to know why your team plays so poorly in Cleveland.

I reject the premise.

I could just as easily ask you to explain away why they're doing so well on the road.

164 posted on 08/10/2005 4:19:03 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

Playing well on the road is a lot of luck and because the parks are all different, isn't a good indicator of true performance levels. Home records are a good indicator of true performance. You can look at the stat I gave you, that all the division leaders and the WC contenders have winning home records-- except for one team, yours. You are in the position you are in based on luck on the road, but that luck will run out because that's how luck works. If you're going to win the WC, you need to start winning home games. It's a serious problem.


165 posted on 08/10/2005 4:30:13 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Petronski
No, you can.[sic]

Regardless of whether they suck or do not, I wanted to know why you have such a piss poor record at home. Any ideas?

166 posted on 08/10/2005 4:33:13 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Let me try this again.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A "PISS POOR" RECORD, NOR DOES IT SUCK.

Therefore, I suggest you ask someone else.


167 posted on 08/10/2005 4:53:13 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
You are in the position you are in based on luck on the road...

I do not accept the premise.

168 posted on 08/10/2005 4:55:26 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

Don't bother...

There is an old Southern-ism....

Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

;-)

DD


169 posted on 08/10/2005 4:57:39 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (A pound of pluck is worth a ton of luck.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Teams play half of their games at home and GMs are supposed to

AND

Playing well on the road is a lot of luck and because the parks are all different, isn't a good indicator of true performance levels

You really can't have both sides of this. On one hand you say teams play better at home because their GM's "pick players that play well on the home field", on the other hand you denigrate a team with a good road record, calling it luck.

Didn't they beat teams that are supposed to WIN AT HOME because their GMs "pick players that play well on the home field"?

So any team with more road wins than home wins at the end of the season is a 'bad team'?

170 posted on 08/10/2005 5:43:06 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Petronski

TRibe is now .500 at home..FYI..they are also 5 games UNDER.500 in day games..may be a statistical fluke, whick will even out by seasons end..IIRC, they had a couple of long homestands whie Haffner was out...that could explain it..


171 posted on 08/10/2005 5:49:55 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
...5 games UNDER .500 in day games...may be a statistical fluke

How much of that has to do with the Sabathia factor? (He needs to lose a little weight or work on stamina, imo.)

172 posted on 08/10/2005 5:59:27 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: ken5050
FYI, the Tribe just took a 4-0 lead on a Travis Hafner grand salami (with Liefer, Boone and Blake aboard).


Schweet!

173 posted on 08/10/2005 6:01:21 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski; SCALEMAN; GraniteStateConservative

Shaping up to be a perfect night..5 for 5..Yanks lost, Cards, won, RedSox about to win, same for the Tribe..now I need Benson and my METSIES to come through later on..


174 posted on 08/10/2005 6:06:42 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Manny just might cathc Ted Williams 159 RBI mark..though tha twas for a 154 game season..


175 posted on 08/10/2005 6:15:37 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Did I see the Completely Useless Before Sept lost again to the Big Dead Machine? How many in a row is that? 8 or 9?

176 posted on 08/10/2005 7:31:59 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: SCALEMAN; Petronski; ken5050

I was saying that history points to a quick ending of the Indians getting their wins on the road instead of at home and on the road. Good teams play well at home and win what games they can on the road-- that's how the records look at season's end and that's how the Indians' record will look.

They won't be able to keep playing .500 ball at home and win the WC. I promise you. And, that's all I was saying. It's just like Giambi hitting like 16 homers in July. He's not going to hit 16/month. That was a blip and the law of averages will slow him down. Same with the Tribe. The only reason they are in the race is because of fluke wins on the road to boost them over the league average. Teams can have great road records, sure, but they always have great home records, too (when you look at season's end).

I'm saying it's likely that their road record will fall to get more in line with their .500 record at home. However, this is all based on their not figuring out how to win home games. If they can do that, they will probably continue to pick up wins on the road, too.

I'm not saying they are a bad team. Just a lucky one. They can start playing better at home and really compete against the Yanks and the As.

But, it's odd that the Indians GM hasn't brought in players with great splits in that park. Theo Epstein has filled the roster with guys who thrive in Fenway, for example. Same with Billy Beane in Oakland.

And, I -am- rooting for the Tribe to get their act together.


177 posted on 08/10/2005 8:21:18 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Dashing Dasher; Petronski

So, how would you characterize a .500 home record? Take note that these are the top teams in the AL (Home Win %)...

BOS: 66.7%
OAK: 64.8%
CHI: 62.1%
NYY: 59.6%
LAA: 58.6%
TOR: 56.9%
MIN: 55.2%
CLE: 50.0%


178 posted on 08/10/2005 8:27:47 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Petronski

I'll never understand why grown men argue about something they have no stake in... curious...


179 posted on 08/10/2005 9:05:48 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (A pound of pluck is worth a ton of luck.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

A 4-5 game winning streak at home flips the % by 10 points....


180 posted on 08/11/2005 3:45:57 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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