Wining and dining best way to woo women

Reuters ^ | Tue Jul 26,10:06 AM ET | unknown

[Redcitizen]

LONDON (Reuters) - Forget expensive presents or costly jewellery. Wining and dining is the best way for men to woo women, scientists said on Tuesday.

Researchers at Imperial College London developed a mathematical formula and modelled courtship as a sequential game to find the best way to impress the ladies.

Their results show that offering an expensive present signals the man's serious intentions but he must be wary of being exploited by gold-diggers who will dump him after receiving the gift.

"Guys are less likely to offer expensive gifts to females they don't have a long-term interest in. And girls won't be impressed with cheap gifts. By offering expensive but worthless gifts, such as dinner and theatre trips, the male pays no cost if the invitation isn't accepted," said Dr Peter Sozou, of University College London (UCL).

If women are not interested they are unlikely to accept the invitation, according to the research published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B.

The researchers said giving gifts was a feature of courtship in humans and other species to impress females. Physical attraction is an important element but offering gifts also helps.

"Our analysis shows there is evolutionary logic in men 'burning money' to impress the girl," said Professor Robert Seymour of UCL's department of mathematics.

[MinorityRepublican]

Yep. I like David D. and think he's mostly right on - the big problem with his material is that it requires men who aren't already outgoing and personable to make a very deep personal change - the difficulty of which he sometimes doesn't seem to fully acknowledge. If you've been programmed with this negative stuff since you were five years old, "Get it done, wussbag!" isn't exactly helpful advice...LOL!

Same here, I read all his stuff. I realized that my approach was totally wrong in High School (I was a shy, intelligent, nice guy.) The moment that I read his stuff, instantly I became a confident and cocky guy. Immediately I got results.

For me, "Get it done, wussbag" made me determined to stop being a "wussy". It worked for me, big time. That's why I recommend for single guys on FR to read about David DeAngelo, and you will gain control of your dating life.

My personal opinion is that our culture have changed in the past couple of decades that made men "wussy". Wherever we read in the textbooks, the white men are evil. After all, the Republicans got elected in 1994 because of the "Angry, White Men".

[beaver fever]

You are absolutely right.

The tongue is mightier than the sword

[tortoise]

I never can understand it when people talk about bald(ing) as being a bad thing.

Hey, where did I say it was a bad thing? I was talking about 40-somethings who suddenly feel the urge to buy convertible sports cars. :-)

As someone who is inevitably heading there himself (no, not convertibles), I've never cared nor noticed any negative consequences with respect to the ladies. Beside the fact that there are a few other qualities that trump physical appearance for men (not that this ever stopped me from staying in shape and dressing well), I've never had trouble with women that was not my own fault. :-)

[Dashing Dasher]

Okay - let's say women are into hard bodied jerks and don't want guys who have an appreciation for C, Java and Python.

So - step away from the computer, join a gym and become a hard body.

[Mr. Jeeves]

So - step away from the computer, join a gym and become a hard body.

But just being a jerk is so much quicker and easier! ;)

[Dashing Dasher]

In the words of Dr. Phil ---

So, how's that working for you?

Happy?

[tortoise]

Other than telling the waiter what they want for dinner, they don't even talk to each other at all during dinner. I couldn't handle having to sit with someone for 1.5 hours and not even have one conversation.

That would drive me nuts. I like women who are engaging, interesting, and who have actually done things other than coast through life. I would take scintillating conversation and cheeseburgers over five star dining with boring company, and I am a bit of a foodie that appreciates fine dining. :-)

[Dashing Dasher]

I've never seen anything quite as putrid in my life. Could you imagine a group of say - 10-15 people getting together and making fun of others they haven't met?

Weird...

I have a personal thing about lying - I don't do it. I also calculate what others say to me to gauge their honesty. So, to be called a liar - was.... outlandish.

Thanks for your kind words. I've been apologized to by the majority of those pigs - but Anny ... deserves a spanking!

;-)

[tortoise]

I wouldn't DATE an arrogant jerk for all the testosterone in the NFL.

Just out of curiosity, what would one do with all the testosterone in the NFL? I'm trying to decipher the relative value here... :-)

[Mr. Jeeves]

DD, some day you will learn that 98.5% of my FR posts are tongue-in-cheek. The little smiley guy ;) is the dead giveaway.

I gotta go to to bed, now. Stupid alarm goes off at 3 am every day.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Just out of curiosity, what would one do with all the testosterone in the NFL?

Clone Rosie O'Donnell. ;)

[Dashing Dasher]

I think the NFL has just enough testosterone. Thanks.

[Dashing Dasher]

That was my second choice.

[Dashing Dasher]

PS... going to be at 0800pm may have something to do with a boring love life.

[tortoise]

Okay - let's say women are into hard bodied jerks and don't want guys who have an appreciation for C, Java and Python. So - step away from the computer, join a gym and become a hard body.

Nah, I've discovered a compromise is better. How about I keep the hard body, dabble in computer code on occasion (a necessity of my type of ventures anyway), and spend the balance on cooking, travel, etc with a worthy partner in crime?

Of course, my personal theory is what women really want is a Rennaissance Man with a charming personality. :-)

[Dashing Dasher]

Agreed.

The renaissance man with charming personality - thing.

But - that's not what you were whining earlier today.

;-)

[ThinkDifferent]

Yep. I like David D. and think he's mostly right on - the big problem with his material is that it requires men who aren't already outgoing and personable to make a very deep personal change

Just Googled for him and I would tend to agree with this. Reading his articles gives me much cognitive dissonance: what he describes fits *exactly* with my past experiences, but I don't want him to be right because I'm an off-the-scale introvert and am not optimistic about my ability to make the changes he suggests.

[tortoise]

But - that's not what you were whining earlier today.

Whining? Moi? Never! (seriously, when...)

I've never really had "women issues", so I have precious little to whine about on these threads. Other than the fact that I do high-tech ventures (and have closet expertise in theoretical esoterica), I do not exude much geek at all either -- advantages of being a polymath. I'm usually the one on these threads chastising the men for not stepping up to the plate. ;-)

I'm going to take advantage of the last light to go for a run. Enjoy your evening!

[Dashing Dasher]

I started to doze off at "closet expertise in theoretical esoterica" but I woke right up...

Hope you had a nice run.

Let's argue again tomorrow!

;-)


Dasher