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OKAY. 1. First of all, do you remember in the old Star Wars where Leah says "I remember my mother. She was sad and beautiful" or something like that? Then how can she say that if Padme dies in childbirth, UNLESS.... 2. Yoda says something about QuaiGon Jin to Obi Wan, like he will see him again (at end of Episode). How is that possible, UNLESS....

My kids and I were theorizing that Lucas could make a sort of inter-testamental "Episode 3 1/2" where some kind of out-of-body experience happens so Leah can see her mother when she is a child and Obi Wan can communicate with QuaiGon Jin...

Any other ideas or theories?

ALSO: I really thought Haydn Christiansen was fabulous last night. I could hardly believe it was the same actor from Episode 2. He was credible and passionate and gut-wrenching. Either he got some really good acting lessons or he just grew into the role BUT I think he was Oscar-worthy in this performance.

ALSO: I was dissapointed in Natalie Portman (or her direction). As a woman who has given birth six times I can tell you birth ain't that pretty, or sweat-free. And she doesn't die well.... the whole thing was too antiseptic...

AND if Darth Sidious had just told me I had caused the death of my love one, I would have KILLED HIM. That was the one clink in the plot that did not follow through. I think the new Darth Vader would have killed everything in sight, Sidious included.... of course there would be no Episodes 4-6 with Sidious in it... someone else should have told Vader.... and why doesn't he ask about "the baby"? UNLESSS... there is an Episode 3 1/2???

What do you all think?

1 posted on 05/22/2005 7:45:45 AM PDT by Conservatrix
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To: Conservatrix

I think I want to see the movie....


2 posted on 05/22/2005 7:48:17 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (blah....)
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To: Conservatrix
We the part in Episode six with Leah. On the way home from the mopvie we had theorized that perhaps Leah, in remembering her mother, was talking about the Snbator's wife and that maybe he she had died when Leah was young.

But Luke specifically asks about Leah's "real" mother. He makes that very clear and she indicates that she does remember her, but only briefly, that she was very beautiful and sad. I said..."no way", not as a two minute old baby. My wife said that maybe since Leah was so strong in the force (latently) then maybe she would remember in the story.

Interesting food for thought.

As to them not asking about the baby...if you noticed, when she was buried, they made her still look pregnant.

As to Vader's reaction...notice how the Sith Lord smiled as Vader's rage took hold. I believe that he was reveling in it and knew Vader would not take it out on him, but that he, Sidious would later use it.

One of the things I reallly enjoyed about the movie was that Master Windu actually defeated Sidious before Anakin intervened.

3 posted on 05/22/2005 7:52:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Conservatrix
Sorry fo all the typos. Here's the response without the errors...
We watched the part in Episode six with Leah after seeing Episode III. On the way home from the movie we had theorized that perhaps Leah, in remembering her mother, was talking about the Sebator's wife and that maybe he she had died when Leah was young.

But Luke specifically asks about Leah's "real" mother. He makes that very clear and she indicates that she does remember her, but only briefly, that she was very beautiful and sad. I said..."no way", not as a two minute old baby. My wife then said that maybe since Leah was so strong in the force (latently) then maybe she would remember in the story.

Interesting food for thought.

As to them not asking about the baby...if you noticed, when she was buried, they made her still look pregnant.

As to Vader's reaction...notice how the Sith Lord smiled as Vader's rage took hold. I believe that he was reveling in it and knew Vader would not take it out on him, but that he, Sidious would later use it.

One of the things I reallly enjoyed about the movie was that Master Windu actually defeated Sidious before Anakin intervened.

4 posted on 05/22/2005 7:55:23 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Conservatrix
Inconsistencies?Aside from the "real" Mom flub (and how did Luke know,since he might have assumed Leia's adoptive Mom was both their Mom), how come Vader never sensed the Force in Leia when he was torturing her, didn't sense it in Luke on the Death Star, but did above it. How come they didn't change Luke's last name-the family he was living with was named Owen, and Skywalker was a pretty famous name on Tattoine (and why hide him there-if they wanted him to be a Jedi-Yodas should have raised him-no childhood-and you know the trouble that causes.

I agree that Christianizing did a great job. I thought Portman did too. Remember, these kids are working with a George Lucas script.

As for your last point, two things. Vader didn't lose his memory. So at some level he knew he killed the woman he sold his soul for. Two, he came out of Mustafar as a quadriplegic, with severe burns over the remainder of his body. Plus, he winds up dependent on a life support system. While he may have the force, he may not have the strength (certainly not the mobility he had) before the duel with Kenobi-and Palpatine is probably a greast deal more powerful than we give him credit for. He killed three Jedi in 10 seconds, and the deal with Windu may have been a trap to sucker Anakin along. He also kicked Yoda's butt.
5 posted on 05/22/2005 8:00:44 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Conservatrix
If it ain't got Han Solo, it ain't Star Wars.
6 posted on 05/22/2005 8:26:05 AM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: Conservatrix

I read the other day that Darth Vader was 6'7" in the original Star Wars. How tall is the actor who plays Anakin (since he ends up being Darth)?


19 posted on 05/22/2005 9:23:17 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: Conservatrix

All I can say is I thought it was soooo unfair that Luke's twin sister gets to grow up a princess and he has to grow up a dirt farmer!


24 posted on 05/22/2005 9:37:05 AM PDT by ConservativeLawyer
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To: Conservatrix
I also thought Anakin -> Vader was totally believeable. Remember that Anakin had an extremely bad childhood as a slave and this pretty much led to him being totally nutso. Being strong and also unbalanced is not out of the question. I liked this part of the story a lot.

For Padme not to see this was pretty ridiculous. He was doomed from the beginning.

I also think Lucas got cold feet, he must have thought about putting in the storyiline that Anakin killed Padme, but then chickened out for the "will to live" crap.

All in all, a good movie, well worth $5.50 if you don't try to analyze the crappy script, the story is good, script, pretty awful. Lucas almost screwed up the climax of the movie with odd word choice.

And what is the deal with 'younglings"? WTF? Would it have killed them to use a regular word like "children"?

wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

30 posted on 05/22/2005 11:26:46 AM PDT by Benrand
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To: Conservatrix
I saw A New Hope, IV, after I saw III.

There was one inconsistency that I saw. Luke and Ben are at Ben's home and Ben is starting to open a chest and he was speaking to Luke that Anakin wanted to give Luke his lightsaber.

Where in III did Anakin say that? No where. After Ben defeated Anakin, Ben did pick up Anakin's lightsaber, but Anakin didn't say anything about giving his lightsaber to his son, Luke. Heck, he didn't even know that he had a son, or twins at that moment of time!

Am I right about this or am I tripping? LoL

31 posted on 05/22/2005 2:14:27 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Freedom is worth FIGHTIN FOR, for if we don't fight for it, we WILL lose it!)
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To: Conservatrix
Considering Palpatine maniplitive personality, that could have been a clone of Padme at the funeral, the real whereabouts of Padme not being know, and Palpatine cloned her and Palpatine told Vader she died just to screw with Vader's head.

That would account for the Leia remembering her mother plothole, or Leia could have been remembering her adopted mother.

38 posted on 05/22/2005 3:13:24 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Conservatrix
she doesn't die well

Waddaya expect? She ain't Klingon!

44 posted on 05/22/2005 4:42:15 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: Conservatrix

I think you put a lot of thought into this.

Regarding point 1, Your scenario is as good as any. Another possibility is that Leah may have referred to her adoptive mother as her real mom. Or Leah may have retained some memory of being in the womb or of birth and sensed her mother.

Regarding point 2, I think the viwer is left to presume that at some point between episode 3 and 4, Obi Wan learned the power of immortality from Qui Gon Jinn.

Regarding point 3, Vader didn't ask about the baby because he may have felt in his premonition that the baby had died. At that point, he may have realized that the death he forsaw and he sought to prevent, to the point that he had given himself to evil, was actually caused by his own hand. Palpatine / Sidious looked as if he was feeding off of Vader's anger. He may have chosen to tell Vader only enough to fuel Vader's anger.

In any case, I don't think these points merit an Episode 3 1/2.

I thought the acting was good, but bone of it was oscar worthy (with the exception of General Grevious, I'm kidding).

Did you catch a glimpse of the Millenium Falcon? I thought I saw it in the mid-to-lower right corner of the screen during one of the daylight scenes of bustling city.


66 posted on 05/23/2005 5:56:17 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Conservatrix

I tried watching Ep II last night. Feh.




Good writing and acting the new episodes do not have. Matchup to the first three they do not. Community dinner theatre actors they are missing.


69 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:39 AM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Conservatrix
Mr. Peel brought up the fact that Luke was staying with his Uncle on his father's side ... yet no mention in the later sagas about Annikin's brother.
74 posted on 05/23/2005 7:23:17 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Conservatrix

My explanation: Leia's memory & Luke's certainty that there "is still good" in Anakin are both Force-impressed on them at birth.


79 posted on 05/23/2005 9:37:21 AM PDT by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: Conservatrix

I remember when the first one came out in the 1970's there was talk about seven movies total.............. I was only 10 years old, don't know if it ever was only a rumor. But then - we got six of them now!


84 posted on 05/24/2005 10:19:02 PM PDT by Mon
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To: marajade

ping


87 posted on 05/29/2005 12:11:34 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Conservatrix

Not only all of that, but the entire Mon Mothma/Birth of the Rebellion subplot was cut from the movie. If there was to be an Episode 3 and 1/2 they NEED to put her, Bail Organa (who had a minor role in Episode 3) and Garm bel Iblis back in.


88 posted on 05/29/2005 12:15:09 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Conservatrix
1) It is possible That Leia Shared a force bond with her mother thus making it possible for her to Remember her mother although they never met. 2)as for Obi Wan being able to talk to Quai-Gon It is probably in the same way Luke could talk to Obi-Wan and Yoda after they were Died.
3) Vader dose not ask about the Baby be cause he was told he killed her so that would mean the baby died to, and during the funeral they had mad her appear to still be pregnant so every one would think that the baby died as well.
93 posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:25 AM PDT by MdnghtWolfsbane
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