It's Happening Again (We've Got Another Schiavo, Starving In GA, No Brain-Damage)

Media Release | 4-6-05 | The Family of Mae Magouirk

[Frumanchu]

My bad. I misread it

[Gondring]

I suppose you think it funny to re-direct and call the Schindler supporters - i.e., life supporters, as walking brain dead.

I suppose you thought it was funny to start it all by calling good FReepers "brain dead".

I'm in favor of rights, not death.

[eeevil conservative]

Correction-- She is NOT in a vegetative state...

[maine-iac7]

designed to ease pain and provide comfort for the dying

that's because that is the real purpose of hospice care - for the TERMINALLY ILL. But the scheme is to push people who ARE NOT terminal, like Terri and Mae and countless thousands others, I suspect, INTO hospice (lot of money to draw on) that do not belong there.

That is the problem

[sageb1]

"and he counts on the naivete of the masses"

who aren't willing to do their own research (wink wink)

I agree.

[eeevil conservative]

For those of you who do NOT understand what we are up against-- You may want to read THIS:

http://straightupwsherri.blogspot.com/2005/04/noooo-no-way-we-are-headed-towards.html#comments

[MACVSOG68]

Like anything, all information can be slanted. For example the middle paragraph totally distorts what Soros himself says, which is:

The concern of George Soros, the billionaire financier, for improving the American way of death came from a personal experience. His beloved father, who had saved the family from the Nazis, died in 1968, and Soros recalls that he did not even hold his hand. "I refused to face the fact that he was dying. I think it was a tragic mistake on my part. I think our whole society is somehow operating in a state of denial and distortion. We have been told all about sex, but very little about dying."

'I did not even hold his hand. I think it was a tragic mistake on my part'

After his father's death, Soros read Elisabeth Kubler-Ross's books on dying and as a result he approached his mother's death very differently. She died quietly at home, surrounded by her family. "She was a believer, and she actually saw the gates of heaven. It was a very touching thing. I was holding her hand, and she described it to me. She got very worried. She didn't want to take me with her. Very touching. I said, 'Don't worry, my feet are on the ground.' That was when she lost consciousness."

The last paragraph misstates the actual mission of PDIA which is simply to fund projects providing better comfort and care for hospice patients.

Soros does not believe in extraordinary measures, and I believe he favors physician assisted suicide, but all of that is a far cry from the information you provided here. It's very easy to say something, but I would like to see for example where some of the $45 million went into euthanasia studies or assisted suicide programs.

[combat_boots]

I hear what you are saying, but the Soros gang is going about this in the paradigm shifting mode, and have been for some time. The earthlink/joyinlife expose is the scariest, because those who believe in this, going back years, saw this as the way to enact institutional change. The public information dissemination is the last stage of three, and we are here now. Terri is at the end.

Hillary said in 1993 that she effectively endorsed euthanasia in her remarks for those "not terminal." Clinton's hospice legislation of 2000 enabled people not exactly terminal at the end of 6 months to go into hospice care. "The fact that individual beneficiaries may live well beyond six months does not indicate overuse or abuse." http://www.painlaw.org/accesstohospice.html

The point is that now, now the removal of the key provisions by fiat that may have reflected well on the origins reveal themselves as the agenda unfolds in its true purpose: when the agenda, and the acceptance of it, is striving to portray itself on the ascendant. Witness such out of this world things as an open endorsement by Hollywood, the national press, the courts and even some here. Everyone says, "Well, I wouldn't want to live that way." I supposed that's fine, until "that way" gets trimmed here, and here, and here, and here. This isn't just a slippery slope; nor is it post hoc ergo propter hoc or a hasty generalization. I am not even willing anymore to say that it is all right for someone to say in the PC parlance, "OK. Sure. Go ahead. Whatever." It's not OK.

I have to get back to Mae now.

[maine-iac7]

Soros recounted his father's battle with cancer and voiced disapproval at the senior Soros's unwillingness to die. According to Soros, his father "...unfortunately wanted to live... I was kind of disappointed in him ... I wrote him off."

with a son like that! chills up my spine.

Soros has acknowledged that "legalizing euthanasia could have unintended consequences, leading to all kind of abuses ... but... aggressive, life-prolonging interventions, which may at times go against the patient's wishes, are much more expensive..."

as usual, follow the money - particularly when dealing with people like this monster.

thank for the 'facts, FredNerks

[MACVSOG68]

But the scheme is to push people who ARE NOT terminal, like Terri and Mae and countless thousands others, I suspect, INTO hospice (lot of money to draw on) that do not belong there.

OK, you may be right, but I have seen nothing to support that thesis. Please help me here.

[maine-iac7]

Is it true that Gaddy has been providing care for 10 years?

and control of the heavy purse strings as POA for finances - wouldn't want that reported $500,000 going up in hospital care when we can take care of the problem in two weeks of non-care...except sedation until the patient expires from starvation/hydration

[Gondring]

Hey, whoa! I was asking!

I'm just trying to check the info. I'm in **FULL** support of RESPECTING living wills! This is ridiculous... I was just trying to figure out what was going on.

The article you cited says:
"At a follow-up hearing Monday, the parties reached a settlement that awarded guardianship to Gaddy provided three cardiologists – James Brennan and Thomas Gore, both of LaGrange, and Raed Aquel of Birmingham – evaluate the patient, who would receive whatever treatment two of the three recommended."

The problem, it seems from the Beck interview, is that these doctors didn't follow-up.


And I have to say I agree with Glenn Beck about not thinking law school should be an important point in this case--I actually think we need more non-lawyers.

[combat_boots]

One of my original posts on this:
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

There is a terrible logic to (the Schiavo) situation. From what I have read, Schiavo is a test case of the Right to die movement (DIE) "to establish a legal precedent to end the lives of the disabled using hearsay evidence" ( http://www.lifenews.com/bio186.html ). Also, with the looming crisis in Social Security and the national health care debate, those cases of catastophic costs for certain people, e.g., the disabled, infirm, aged, handicapped, schizophrenic or otherwise mentally diseased, those who need transplants, etc., become targets of a synthesis of carrying capacity meets implementation of Marx's theory of abstract labor and the costs of care.

DIE has moved to redefine American consciousness according to a strategy enacted in three stages: "Professional Education, Institutional Change, and Public Engagement." ( http://home.earthlink.net/~joyinlife/ ) As part of this strategy, the religious element is problematic, and so, must be diffused with 'dignity therapy.' "Spirituality is consistently defined as a critical domain in end-of-life care; research on interventions to improve spiritual well-being is very limited. Preliminary evidence of a specific intervention—dignity therapy—shows positive outcomes for both the patient and family." In Terri Schiavo's case, the guardian's legal representation comes from DIE, as do the Schiavo doctors. Clearly, as she has been in a hospice for years, this having been petitioned since 1997, although she is not terminally ill Terri has been marked for death for some time. ( http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/topics/terrishiavo/20050228.somethingsfishy/20050228.lawschange )

That being said, in Florida, in 1999, food and water (hydration) was added to language of the law that defined artificial means. ( http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/topics/terrishiavo/20050228.somethingsfishy/20050228.lawschange ) DIE advocates using a combination of dehydration and morphine to promote death. ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21770 ) This has cleared the way for other, more chilling recommendations to be made by 'experts.' Witness: In Florida's Interim report from the Panel for the Study on End of Life Care (1999), among the findings is the "Recommend(ation) that the Florida Legislature remove from F.S. 765 the requirement that a person be
“terminally ill” before life-prolonging procedures can be withheld or withdrawn. [1 dissenting vote]" ( http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/topics/terrishiavo/20050228.somethingsfishy/20050228.lawschange )

From the same website: "Research indicates that the cost of hospice care in Florida results in an overall savings of Medicare dollars; a Lewin study reports that Medicare saves $.52 for every dollar spent on hospice care." It really is all about the money. Welcome to the Gulag and the USSA.

The Studies:

See CRISIS IN HOME CARE:
Dismantling of the Medicare Home Health Benefit
http://www.nahc.org/NAHC/LegReg/Crisis/crisishh.html

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Important Questions for Hospice in the Next Century
http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/reports/impques.htm

[schmelvin]

Hi eeevil. I just wanted you all to know that I didn't run off. I've been emailing like crazy, since it's been impossible to get anyone to talk to me on the phone lately.

Here is what I've been sending out (to politicians & government agencies in Georgia, the media, etc.):

Feeding Tube Pulled Despite Living Will (In Georgia)

Please investigate this allegation:

An elderly woman, who is NOT terminally ill and NOT brain-damaged at all, but merely recovering from heart surgery has had her feeding tube removed AGAINST her wishes (as stated in her living will) by her granddaughter (who was not appointed as medical power-of-attorney in the living will, but managed to get a Probate Judge to change this at the last minute).

The granddaughter's justification for doing so?:

“Grandmamma is old and I think it is time she went home to Jesus. She has glaucoma, and now this heart problem and who would want to live with disabilities like these?”

For more info:

Granddaughter Yanks Grandma's Feeding Tube
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43688

Terri Schiavo Part II, Feeding Tube Pulled Despite Living Will?
http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/04/terri_schiavo_p.shtml

Here We Go Again......
http://lonestartimes.com/index.php?p=497

Woman, 81, at Center of Feeding Tube Feud
http://lagrangenews.com/new.php?StoryType=full

Glenn Beck Interview with Kenneth Mullinax [Mae Magouirk's Nephew]
http://www.glennbeck.com/

Schiavo Case Revisited In Georgia
[Cornell University Site]
http://soundingthetrumpet.blogspot.com/2005/04/shiavo-case-revisited-in-georgia.html

Schiavo Case Redux in Georgia: Mae Magouirk... Not Comatose, Not Vegetative, Not Terminal, Being Starved and Dehydrated to Death
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/04/shiavo_case_red_1.php

The Case of Mae Magouirk
http://quante.blogspot.com/2005/04/case-of-mae-magouirk.html

Think Your Living Will Means Something?
http://conservativerevolution.com/

Family Fights to Keep Doctors from Starving Mae Magouirk
http://www.blogicus.com/

Schiavo Precedent Already Reality
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/apr/05040806.html

That Slippery Slope
http://kellipundit.blogspot.com/2005/04/that-slippery-slope.html

Dying of "Convenience"
http://romeocat.typepad.com/cathouse_chat/2005/04/dying_of_conven.html

The Case of Mae - Another Attempted Murder
http://sayingnotothecultureofdeath.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/04/07/the_case_of_mae_-_another_attempted_murder.html

Culture of Death Having Its Way?
http://www.thenarrow.org/archives/2005/04/culture_of_deat.html

Beth Gaddy: Michael Schiavo Wannabe
http://jacklewis.net/weblog/archives/2005/04/beth_gaddy_mich.php

ALERT: Mae Magouirk in Georgia
http://civilization-calls.mu.nu/archives/074738.html

Starving an Old Woman to Death
http://www.gopbloggers.org/mt/archives/000822.html

Evil Doesn't Take a Holiday: The Struggle for Mae Magouirk's Life
http://suzyrice.com/BIRD/archives/2005/04/evil_doesnt_tak.php

More on Mae Magouirk
http://thrownback.blogspot.com/2005_04_03_thrownback_archive.html#111289773119911491

Another Terri Schiavo Story?
http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2005_04_03.PHP#003698

After Terri Schiavo... Who's Next? Mae Magouirk
http://songstress7.typepad.com/beyond/2005/04/after_terri_sch.html

Mae Magouirk: Here We Go Again,,,
http://hyscience.typepad.com/hyscience/2005/04/more_on_mae_mae.html

LaGrange Hospice Feeling the Heat
http://www.randomandpic.blogspot.com/

Useless Eaters: More Mischief -- This Time in Georgia
http://sierra-faith.blogspot.com/2005/04/useless-eaters.html

[eeevil conservative]

Am I being mean?

Forgive me--

I FEEL MEAN-- but not mean AT anyone-- just frustrated..

I don't think I can take losing another life..

I just can't...

[combat_boots]

Hoorah.

Schmelvin, you're a good man in a fight.

[sageb1]

I understand just fine. Had this conversation with my daughter last week. She actually made me feel guilty for saying I wanted to go when God said it was time. If it's all about the money, maybe I should just jump off a bridge someplace when I think my time may be at hand.

[mother22wife21]

You have freepmail.

[eeevil conservative]

WOW!

YOU ROCK!

Ya'll Might want to read this--

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/09/weuth09.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/09/ixportal.html


Nearly half the newborn babies who died in Flanders over a recent year-long period were helped to die by their doctors, a new study reported yesterday.

Paediatricians in the Dutch-speaking region of Belgium either discreetly stopped treating the babies or, in 17 cases, illegally killed them with lethal doses of painkillers.

The study, published in The Lancet, examined the deaths of every baby who died within a year of birth in Flanders between August 1999 and July 2000.

The results of a survey on the causes of death were stark: paediatricians who responded to the survey admitted they had taken "end of life" decisions in more than half the cases.....


Overall, the research yielded information on 253 out of the total of 298 infant deaths in the region over the period. The lethal doses of painkillers, which broke Belgian law, were mainly administered to babies less than a week old.

[MACVSOG68]

Thanks. Will read and respond tomorrow.