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Terri Shiavo's Autopsy May Not Tell The Whole Story.
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Posted on 03/31/2005 9:31:45 AM PST by ArmyBratproud

Got the following in an e-mail. The writer makes a wise point-

With the sad death of Terri Shiavo, the pundits have now taken to the airwaves and claimed that an autopsy will likely show that she would have never recovered.

Given the fact that Terri Shiavo's case is well over a decade old, the pundits may be pushing a false theory.

No matter what side you are on when it comes to the poor lady's case, there is something that all should realize. That being an autopsy will show her condition of recent and only what has become of her due to the actions that were taken. That goes for her brain condition as well.

There will be statements that an autopsy may show that the cortex around her brain may have dissolved and that she would not have recovered. But, again, that can only be said as an evaluation of her health in relation to the actions that were taken.

It can not be compared to what state her brain matter would have been in back shortly after her life was put in danger. There have been reports that there were times when therapy was denied. So there are questions that must be considered when the issue of an autopsy is reported.

The most important of those questions, as far as the state of her brain is concerned, would be if any therapy would have helped her earlier. The idea of whether actions taken several years in the past would have provided a different course must be looked at.

George Felos and the euthanasia activists will no doubt tout an autopsy report that may show a dissolved cortex. But any such autopsy, in reality, does not in any way support their positions.

An autopsy brought would seem to only be an evaluation of what the health of Terri Shiavo has come to. It won't show what her condition could have been, had she been allowed a continual regime of therapy and other medical treatments.

Judges, lawyers, activists, and pundits should keep that in mind.


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To: Central Scrutiniser
Its easy to be a conspiracy nut, you never need the burden of proof, you never need to be right, you can just accuse and make up more conspiracy to bolster your case.

This place has gone nuts.

Yup its easy to play on peoples emotions and ignore reality. Demagogues have done so throughout history.

We are just fortunate that the calls for people in authority to take unconstitutional and deadly acts in this case were not acted on.

If the people keep demanding a strongman to take action regardless of the laws and Constitution, the people will get their wish one day.

Like the mob in Paris, they may not like the results once the heads start rolling...

21 posted on 03/31/2005 10:11:13 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: combat_boots

I don't know why you posted all that to me. All I noted was the previous posters suspicions and said that TS was near death, MS had no reason to speed it up.

And you have some point to make to Me? It wasn't clear.


22 posted on 03/31/2005 10:22:07 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Sorry. I thought you didn't know.


23 posted on 03/31/2005 10:25:09 AM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: combat_boots

Thought I didn't know what?

That MS is slimy? I know that. That he would kill her at the moments before her death? I don't think so.


24 posted on 03/31/2005 10:26:25 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Your original post said you didn't think Schiavo was there at the end. Other questions aside, that was what I was answering.


25 posted on 03/31/2005 10:35:39 AM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: combat_boots

oh, okay.


26 posted on 03/31/2005 10:38:42 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Cynicism is a defense mechanism.


27 posted on 03/31/2005 10:40:53 AM PST by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: cajungirl

Well, seeing as how my post was removed, you made your point. Do I think it possible? Oh yes. Do I at least think it likely he wished to keep her family away at the moment of her death? Yes.

Fox News reported that the brother and sister were upset, and he was in the room alone with her after he ordered them out of the room. There is no dispute about that.


28 posted on 03/31/2005 10:46:59 AM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: combat_boots

I did not report your post. I was perplexed by it. It didn't seem objectionable to me.

WEll, if MS was there it looks teeny bit better than if he forbade the parents and wasn't there himself. Although it is hard for MS to look even halfway good.

But I don't think he did anything in the last 10 minutes.


29 posted on 03/31/2005 10:54:43 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Old Professer

Ah yes.

I have noticed that really sensitve, easily hurt people get cynical alot, sort of like growing a thick skin or something. And people who cannot tolerate disappointment often anticipate it and expect it.


30 posted on 03/31/2005 10:58:28 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Walkin Man

I don't see how people can scream conspiracy theories about the autopsy.

As I wrote when I posted the e-mail I got....the writer makes a good point.

Any autopsy would only show the state of health that Terri Shiavo had come to.

No autopsy could be used as a cover up. That is not why I posted the e-mail.

The reason I posted it is because it states an obvious fact...that being that an autopsy will not answer any questions as to what course her health would have taken had therapy and such not been denied.

That question will never be answered.

However, the right to die crowd will use it and say that it does...because her brain matter went bad.

Well.....that can only speak for recent years.


31 posted on 03/31/2005 7:42:28 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: oldcomputerguy

that would not be shown in a recent autopsy.

We are talking about a case that is 15 years old.

Trust me....I had a nice conversation with a county medical examiner about this very issue about a week ago.

You can scream conspiracy theory crap all you want.

This post does not take any side. It simply points out that the dissolving of the cortex may be shown....but it does not answer the question as to what therapy would have done to alter the course.

That question will not be answered by an autopsy.

Scream false hoods all you want.....it just shows that you lack the spine to have an actual debate on this.

I guess next you will try and state that you are a medical examiner....


32 posted on 03/31/2005 7:48:31 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: maine-iac7

Again....everyone wants to look at this from one angle or the other...and call each other conspiracy theorists.

This post simple relays something from an e-mail...that matched a conversation I had with a guy would works with a county medical examiner's team.....

That the autopsy will shown nothing new...either way.


33 posted on 03/31/2005 7:50:52 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud
"but it does not answer the question as to what therapy would have done to alter the course."

The Wash Post article this morning states Michael had years of therapy, rehabilitation and swallowing tests done.

One of the forensic pathologists on Fox stated that brain death due to hypoxia(lack of oxygen) is distinctive from other types of brains cell death.

As to function, Terri's brains will be sectioned and cells taken from all major areas of function and examined for dead cells or live cells. That will illuminate greatly the debate on what functions she had or could have had. The result will take a month.

As to debate. What you posted was some crap purported to be an email that you or anyone could have written yourself. It is hardly worthy of acknowledgment much less debate.
34 posted on 04/01/2005 8:16:24 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: oldcomputerguy

yeah...and some guy on CNN yesterday said that there will be questions of time frame.

So since all the experts don't seem to agree.....the issue will be one of debate.

It's obvious that you have a one sided a view on this issue.

Most in this debate do. I posted an e-mail recieved that raised a question that is, with in this topic, neutral to the sides of the Shiavo case.


35 posted on 04/01/2005 9:03:54 AM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

36 posted on 04/02/2005 12:21:47 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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To: zippee
You have raised the issue of thin and the corollary weight. Some extension of that issue is worth noting.

The supreme irony of all this endless ranting is that the Terri who was "murdered by starvation" nearly killed herself by the process of bulimic starving.

What's more, if she knew of her condition on her last day, she would have been disconcerted because of the weight she gained on the feeding tube.
37 posted on 04/02/2005 12:41:37 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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