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I Will Never Forgive Them For Terri. Never. (The hell with forgiveness and finding common ground.)
Self | 3.31.05 | JohnRobertson

Posted on 03/31/2005 7:49:04 AM PST by John Robertson

A very good Freeper has another thread going on right now, called "Let's End the Rancor." I started to respond, and realized...my RANCOR ain't going away any time soon. So....

NO! I will never forgive them.

I will never forgive the death cabal that forsook common decency and Judeo-Christian principles, and made a Never-give-in stand just to give those who embrace life grief, tension and tortured, sleepless nights.


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To: John Robertson

I'll never forgive Carrot Top.

61 posted on 03/31/2005 8:09:37 AM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
You can forgive them but they must face the natural consequences of their own actions actions.

Make yourself more committed to turning this country back to God. Make yourself more committed to wrenching this country from the grip of an evil judiciary with a socialist agenda hell bent on removing any vestige of God from our lives.

Do this in Terri's name and honor her life by changing what is happening to us as a nation. That's what I plan to do.

62 posted on 03/31/2005 8:09:46 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: veronica
This was not a Christian issue.

For anti-Christian secularists this was a Christian issue and it gave them an opportunity to vent their anti-Christian hatred.

Of course, people of many beliefs or none at all also took the side of the Lord.

And the House of Joshua was prominent among them.

63 posted on 03/31/2005 8:10:34 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: FormerACLUmember; All
A "great victory" for Liberalism and Judicial Tyranny.

Where was the Judicial Tyranny?

Judicial Tyranny occurs when judges act outside the law, or in disregard of the law.

Florida law made the husband the guardian. Florida law permits the guardian to petition on behalf of the person under the guardianship. Florida law provided for a trial where both sides were able to put on evidence and be subject to cross-examination.

The Schindler's lost.

The only judicial decisions after that were appellate review that looked solely at whether or not the Judge abused his discretion as a finder of fact. (That means -- they don't have to find he was right, they just had to find that he had a basis, as the judge of the facts and the credibility, for his decision.) It is true that Schindler's inept attorny brough forward other causes of action that were too weak to mandate an injunction, but again the Court did its job.

Now I am damn mad about the law. I am furious that they starved her to death. But the failure here was not by the Courts. Indeed, if Greer had done what many wanted him to do -- that would have been judicial tyranny. The people who had a chance to save this woman were the elected legislators of Florida or Congress. Neither did what they had to do in order to properly change the law and the legal standards. They were cowards.

If Congress wanted to make this a Federal issue, then they should have applied the statute to everyone, and they should have mandated a trial de novo -- and made mandatory a stay pending such a trial de novo. They did not do that, because they had not the votes to do it.

The Florida legislature could have far more easily changed this law. They had it within their collective powers to simply say: 1. you cannot pull the plug of anyone absent an express written consent, or 2. a spouse who cohabits with another as de facto man and wife is disqualified from making any life changing decisions or as acting as a guardian. The Florida legislature -- including a bunch of Republicans, decided against that and went home to eat while Terri Starved.

There was no Judaical Tyranny here. Indeed, Greer et. al refused to change ethe law to meet the correct end -- which is exactly what such judges should do. Here -- the legislators you chose failed to stand on the side of life. Now -- get out and start choosing new ones!

65 posted on 03/31/2005 8:11:04 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: John Robertson

I will never forgive them for piling on, and mocking, people of true conscience--the Bushes, Santorum, Delay, even Jesse, in this, and so many others--when they came forward and tried to save her.

And they are going after all of these people instead of the persons that starved her to death.

Terri, is with God now and she is happy.We do not know what kind of life she had with Michael Schiavo and we will never know because I believe he was the cause of her being in the shape she was in..After reading things about him and hearing what people said I really believe he did not want her alive so she could not tell all the things he did to her while she was in the hospital and before the hospital..

God Rest Her LITTLE SOUL.


66 posted on 03/31/2005 8:11:28 AM PST by Beth528
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To: veronica

But the people in the media tried to make it as if only those "crazy" Christians were for keeping her alive.


67 posted on 03/31/2005 8:12:26 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: John Robertson

"To hell with forgiveness?"


My friend, I think you have that backwards. "To hell without forgiveness."

That is what He calls us to do: pray for our enemies.


68 posted on 03/31/2005 8:12:47 AM PST by Petronski (Choose life.)
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To: texgal

Of course all the well-meaning advice here about not letting anger rule the day, forgiveness, etc. is correct and truly I don't discount it. I'm just saying that for today, I don't want to forgive, or judge, or rant, or curse, or concede. I just want to mourn, to pray for Terri & her fam, and hopefully help those on FR who feel the same. Just for today.


69 posted on 03/31/2005 8:13:44 AM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: cyborg
Seems to me it was up to Terri to forgive her tormenters. None of the rest of us were harmed directly and therefore have nothing to forgive.

However, we can make sure this turns out differently in the future, and that some of today's players are penalized to whatever degree the law will allow ~ and that law has gotta' be changed 'cause it's gonna' have to be a really, really, huge "degree"!

70 posted on 03/31/2005 8:14:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Skooz; John Robinson
"Let's face it: most Americans are just proles."

Unlike Jesus, most Americans (many of whom are professing Christians) are moral relativists.

Many of those self-righteous proponents of death for convenience sake are right here posting on Free Republic, too.

With EACH moral relativist - it's all about him/her. Their fluctuating subjective ethics depend on "the situation". Their elitist words testify against them. Tip of the iceberg (regarding the beginning of life in the womb - the end of life in a hospice - and everything in the middle): "I would never want to live like that therefore [fill in the blank], etc., etc.

71 posted on 03/31/2005 8:15:58 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Ones religion informs his politics. The DemocRAT Party is full of moral relativists.)
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To: John Robertson

John, my feelings are pretty much the same, although you were able to articulate yours, and I cannot seem to think very clearly right now. My emotions and thoughts are in roller coaster mode. I am taking comfort in the knowledge that Terri is with the angels now and no one else can hurt her. I also believe that if you do evil unto others, it will be revisited upon you ten-fold, if not in this life then in the next. I am hoping that the HINO and the others involved in Terri's murder will get their recompense here on earth. If not, they will have to answer to the highest judge of all -- God.


72 posted on 03/31/2005 8:17:57 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: kassie

Privately invite your married daughters to write you a letter (signed with two witnesses) about what they want their final stage of life to be like, should the worst happen. To indicate that in any case they want an independent attorney to represent their interests if they cannot. And that medical decisions should be deferred to you or to complete agreement between you and their spouses, if their husbands engage in infidelity, stand to make undue financial gain from their death, or otherwise engage in any self-serving activity that could tarnish their decisionmaking as a valid guardian.

The presumption for life no longer exists for the disbled and noncommunicative. "Living Wills" are actually "Procedures for My Dying Wills". Therefore, if the desire for life at even small levels of hope or comfort exists, it must be clearly stated NOW.


73 posted on 03/31/2005 8:18:22 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Iron Eagle
No, the problem was one of "the courts", and "the lawyers" as well.

As a first order of business we have to remove these people from active participation in our society. Obviously we will need some sort of judiciary, but that need not include any present members.

74 posted on 03/31/2005 8:19:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I agree. It's not my place to forgive Michael Schiavo, maybe her parents but a spirit of unforgiveness is unhealthy anyway.


75 posted on 03/31/2005 8:19:49 AM PST by cyborg (Biafran woman, " Starvation is beautiful? This is news to me! ")
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To: Iron Eagle
You're right, this state-sponsored murder is primarily the fault of the Florida legislature and the US Congress. This case has been going on for years and there has been ample time to change the laws so they apply to all disbled people and are constitutional. There must be a powerful group lobbying against this change in the laws and I would like to know exactly who has stopped the legislatures from reforming the law.

My guess is that this group consists of liberals who believe in killing some disabled people, lawyers who are making big bucks off litigation of these cases, liberals who have a childish knee-jerk tendancy to oppose any legislation that conservatives support, and other cynical liberals who WANTED TERRI TO DIE precisely because that would split some evangelical Christians away from the Republican party. This has been a really mean-spirited attack on the pro-life forces in this country and the whole stinking mess needs a thorough investigation by conservative investigative writers.

76 posted on 03/31/2005 8:20:02 AM PST by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: veronica

You're right, it isn't a Christian issue. It's some weird "pro-life" cult issue...turning a mentally incapacitated vegetable into a puppet to perpetuate a living sHELL...all for the "sanctity of life." I saw a video of her father talking to her and it gave me chills to think he wants to perpetuate that living torture. The "pro-life" cult gives me the creeps.


77 posted on 03/31/2005 8:20:47 AM PST by firequarrel
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To: Iron Eagle

Very well stated.


78 posted on 03/31/2005 8:21:41 AM PST by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return With Honor")
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To: silverleaf

Thanks for that excellent idea.


79 posted on 03/31/2005 8:22:56 AM PST by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: firequarrel

Pee in your cereal this morning?


80 posted on 03/31/2005 8:23:32 AM PST by cyborg (Biafran woman, " Starvation is beautiful? This is news to me! ")
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