Time to leave the GOP?

1stfreedom

[montag813]

Keep the GOP...Nuke Florida.

[Dog Gone]

I thought Pubbies stood for gun rights, yet the anti-gunners are still winning out.

They refused to renew the AWB. What are you talking about?

[Warlord]

Judge Greer is a republican, as is that clown on the 11th Circuit who argued the unconstitutionality of legislative checks on the judiciary.

[1stFreedom]

Look up Article I Section 2 of the Constitution of Florida -- the rulings were in violation of this section and therefore illicit....

[ClintonBeGone]

Jeb has the National Guard which he can use to enforce the laws of FL. I don't. There were soo many police there I wouldn't make it past the first one.

You have the power as an ordinary citizen, you claim Jeb has the power as Governor. He failed to act on his power and you criticize - you fail to act on yours and you expect what? Forgiveness? Kudos? Explain how you are not a hypocrite?

[dg62]

A third party seems inevitable at some point, and I have to admit as time goes on I find less and less to identify with in the Republican party. Though I will never vote Democrat, there is a gap here the Repubs are not addressing.

[farmer18th]

If you think Hugh Hewit calling those who want a return to a check and balance system on the judiciary "nuts" is very helpful to the cause of building a coalition, then we have some serious talking to do. The fact is that Hugh Hewitt may claim to value Christian conservatives, but he's personally embarassed they didn't all go to Harvard.

[Protagoras]

But it's the only viable party that somewhat adheres to limited government and personal freedom.

LOL. "We care about limited government and personal freedom, but only somewhat".

I think we have found a new campaign slogan for the Republicans!!!!! LOL

[longtermmemmory]

I think it is very telling that the trolls know there is nothing in the democrat party to attract republicans, YET republicans can attract democrat conversions.

The trolls' motives here are transparent.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

I look at matters from a constitutional baseline, not an emotional one. Take the matter in its entirety and vote for which candidate is closer to constitutional government.

So...you've sat out all elections since eh...Reagan?

[unkus]

I'm not talking fault. I'm saying that Hitlery would love for a lot of Republicans to jump ship. Is that "Tinfoil" enough for you?

[trickyricky]

So, I conclude that for me, either the moral/social conservatives
must totally rule the party, or it is time to peaceable move on to form another
coalition party as you say.

If that's true, then we might as well start packing our bags.
There are many atheists, log-cabin, pro-death and other varieties of republicans
with whom I'd rather not be associated.

The only thing that keeps me in the Republican party is the fact that
it's the only thing out there that can defeat the Democrat party.
The instant a viable alternative appears, I'm out of here.
I'm sure there are millions who feel the same.

[farmer18th]

P.S. If you want to talk dispassionately about this--on this very passionate morning--please give me a reasoned response to this observation:

We are responsible for most of the judges who turned their back on Terri, and we are responsible--whether you agree with their action or not--for our own executive's unwillingness to confront the judiciary. Seven of nine supreme court justices are our creation.

Hamilton said the the judiciary should be harmless because they cannot enforce their own edicts. We have turned that on its head, and many conservatives are supporting the status quo.

How can we reasonably hope--as conservatives--to reestablish checks and balances if we don't develop and preach a strategy of executive and legislative opposition to the outright tyranny of the judiciary? Jeb Bush went part of the way. Don't we need someone who will be willing to go all the way?

[rollo tomasi]

You wrote: "Hitlery is surely working on a "Third Party" candidate to help her win."

Sounds tin foil to me. People will remember Perot and the 8 years of her husband. The card was played already.

[Rebelbase]

You think Perot pulled equally from democrats as well as republicans? He got 19% of the vote. I view him as appealing to more dissatified republicans than to liberals, thus syphoning off more republican votes than democrat.

The end result was a Clinton win at 42%.

[TexasGreg]

Refuse to vote for a Republican in 08 and you will ensure that we all will see THIS:

... on the steps of the Capital building in Jan 2009. Are you ready for 4 or 8 years of HER?

[sitetest]

Dear sinkspur,

"Other than Ross Perot, who gave us Bill Clinton, name one other time."

In the 1850s, there was one party committed to the preservation of the institution of slavery - the Democrats. The opposing party, the Whigs, was not so committed to it, but neither were the Whigs intent on the eventual goal of freedom.

A small third party ran its first presidential candidate in 1856, and lost. I suppose a lot of folks didn't give that party a chance. However, in 1860, that party managed to win the presidency, and managed to win the presidency every election until 1880.

The Whigs disappeared.

It's happened before.


sitetest

[My Favorite Headache]

As a lifelong Floridian and one who worked every Bush campaign here in this state whether for SR.,W, or Jeb...Jeb still has my support and vote. He literally did more than I ever imagined he would ever do and people on FR need to get a grip. This has been playing out down here for years and years, Jeb just didn't get involved in this in the last 2 months like a lot of you have.

It is always interesting to see who jumps on and off a bandwagon. I for one am sticking by Jeb. Take your anger out at the polls next time you decide to vote on judge's,take your anger out on Michael. Jeb and President Bush do not deserve to be roasted here.

[longtermmemmory]

FL judicial election are "non partisan" Greer comes from a county which is more republican than democrat. It is also worth noting that as a lawyer he would be suspect as being more left than right.

I honestly think that greer allowed the evidence of the recovered memory into the facts because it was felos in front of him.

As for that one judge on the 11th, (not to be confused with clinton appointee whitmore) was defending judicial turf.

One woman said it best on FNC. We have judges applying new math concepts. It does not matter that 2+2=5 as long as you followed the prooooocess you will get credit. The courts were looking at the process.

I also think the federal judges are loath to have to look at these cases. They do not want them on their dockets and thus they rubber stamped Greer.

At the very least, the nuclear option in the senate has become far more likely.


(I do seiously believe civil pardons power should be provided to the Governors just as there are pardons in criminal cases.)