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Let's end the Rancor (Vanity)
03/31/2005 | Leatherneck_MT

Posted on 03/31/2005 7:21:46 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT

Short and sweet, be you a conservative republican, democrat, libertarian what have you. Terri is gone, please for God's sake let's stop the internal bickering and get down to business to see that this type of thing doesn't happen again.

Regardless of what side you are on in this debate, we are not going to do Terri, her family, ourselves or our Country any good by slamming and debasing each other.

It's now time to roll up our sleeves and get to work removing the likes of Judge Greer and other Judicial Tyrants from the Judiciary. It's also time to start hammering our elected reps to begin putting the Judiciary back into it's proper place as a co-equal part of government instead of the "Final word" on laws that our representatives have enacted.

God bless Terri's family and God have mercy on the United States.


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To: lugsoul
if she wanted the cessation of life-sustaining care,

That's the entire point for many folks - was this truly her wishes? IMO Michael had too many potential conflicts of interest to be treated as the final authority. The law gives final word to the husband - and, in this case, to a man in a de facto common law marriage with another woman. The law needs to be changed.

61 posted on 03/31/2005 8:23:55 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
this type of thing doesn't happen again.

hmmm...war on drugs, abortion, homosexuality, outsourcing of jobs....internal bickering doesn't need Teri Schiavo to happen on FR every day.

62 posted on 03/31/2005 8:25:19 AM PST by paltz (no, really...I'm taking you seriously.)
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To: dirtboy

Assume you are right, entirely, about Michael. That does not preclude the possibility that she wanted this. And if she did, all of those who fought so bitterly to prevent it - ALL - did her a huge disservice.


63 posted on 03/31/2005 8:25:28 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: lugsoul

No, they weren't. Taking the mere word of a man who "suddenly remembered" something she said 7 years after the fact is not "making more effort"--Heaven help those who make little off-hand remarks ("I'd rather die than wear a dress like that" or "I wouldn't want to live past 30, ewww, that's ancient" etc.), lest someone hold them to it with the same tenacity as Michael Schiavo did.


64 posted on 03/31/2005 8:25:46 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: dirtboy
The law needs to be changed.

Some of us object to judges being expected to do the changing, though.

65 posted on 03/31/2005 8:26:06 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
Some of us object to judges being expected to do the changing, though.

We all know the problem with judges. They will be activists when it suits them and strict constructionists when it suits them as well.

But from what I have read, the law did not allow sufficient room to challenge Michael Schiavo's conflicts of interest. Targeted intervention for Terri would not have changed that law - so the real long-term solution is to change such laws in Florida and other states.

66 posted on 03/31/2005 8:28:37 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: MizSterious
Okay, so you don't like the way her wishes were determined by the Court - that's clear. My point is that any flaws in the way her wishes were determined by the Court do not necessarily mean the Court didn't get it right, i.e. maybe those were her wishes.

Some here dispute her right to have the tube removed even if she wanted it removed. Do you? Do you at least agree that removal of the tube was proper IF she wanted it? And that you don't know any more about what she wanted than I do?

67 posted on 03/31/2005 8:30:24 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: lugsoul
Assume you are right, entirely, about Michael. That does not preclude the possibility that she wanted this. And if she did, all of those who fought so bitterly to prevent it - ALL - did her a huge disservice.

Once again, you don't know if this is what she wanted. Neither did I. The law, IMO, should caution on the side of life, especially when it grants the husband powers to decide life or death - and that husband is also a common law husband to someone else, creating a clear potential conflict of interest. I would hope you would see the problems in that situation, where life and death is involved. Had Terri left a living will, had the pro-euthanisia Hemlock Society jackals not been so deeply involved, and had Michael not been in a de facto common law marriage, we would never have heard of this case.

68 posted on 03/31/2005 8:31:34 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
but that doesn't mean we can't try to work towards reigning in a runaway judiciary

Do you consider Judge Birth of the 11th Circuit to be part of the "runaway judiciary"? He's one of the most socially conservative judges on the federal bench.

69 posted on 03/31/2005 8:33:00 AM PST by malakhi
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To: dirtboy
I agree. This is why the crafting of the law is so very important. This is why the blame, if any needs to be assigned, rightfully belongs to the Florida legislature. You can remove every single judge from the bench, but so long as the law stands as it is, the next judge who tries to do what we all claim to want judges to do - follow the law as written - will arrive at exactly the same result.

Fortunately, we all have far more direct control over legislators than we do over judges once installed. The legislators, both in Florida and in the US Congress, want to escape responsibility by blaming judges. Don't believe them.

70 posted on 03/31/2005 8:34:24 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"Can't we all just get along?"


71 posted on 03/31/2005 8:34:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: malakhi

I'm sure the answer to your question is yes. Any judge who didn't agree with the Schindlers is a black-robed tyrant libaral judical activist murderer, regardless of their judicial record before this case, political leanings, or legal acumen. Didn't you get the memo?


72 posted on 03/31/2005 8:35:00 AM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: general_re
This is why the blame, if any needs to be assigned, rightfully belongs to the Florida legislature. You can remove every single judge from the bench, but so long as the law stands as it is, the next judge who tries to do what we all claim to want judges to do - follow the law as written - will arrive at exactly the same result.

Bingo!

73 posted on 03/31/2005 8:35:09 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Do you consider Judge Birth of the 11th Circuit to be part of the "runaway judiciary"? He's one of the most socially conservative judges on the federal bench.

I don't know anything about Judge Birth, but that being said, I will work to impeach ANY Judge that legislates from the Bench. Be they Conservative or Liberal I care not.

That is not their job, we have a Legislature for that, it's why we have 3 equal branches of government. Each has a check on the other, or at least is supposed to have.


74 posted on 03/31/2005 8:36:58 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Protagoras

"Can't we all just get along?"

lol thanks


75 posted on 03/31/2005 8:37:27 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Griptilian

The legal guardianship issue was being challenged, I think. Greer hasn't ruled yet.....


76 posted on 03/31/2005 8:38:45 AM PST by Jrabbit
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To: Leatherneck_MT
I will work to impeach ANY Judge that legislates from the Bench. Be they Conservative or Liberal I care not.

Thing is, these judges have not been legislating from the bench. They have been following the laws as written. The blame lies with the law and the legislature, not with the judges. The judicial activism here would be if the judges had ruled in favor of the Schindlers. Blame the Florida legislature, not the judges.

77 posted on 03/31/2005 8:41:56 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Javelina
Unfortunately, that's the problem with those who criticize judges, too.

Yep, as I said sarcastically on another thread, the motto for some conservatives nowadays seems to be: "I am in favor of limited government - unless it limits what I want government to do."

The only way for Jeb or President Bush to rescue Terri would be for them to emulate Bill Clinton in the Elian matter. That was a precedent I never want to see again. Unbridled executive power is far more dangerous than a runaway judiciary.

79 posted on 03/31/2005 8:50:44 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

The rancor has gone too far.

I can suffer being called vile slanders for only so long (not just on the Schiavo issue, but others where I do not march in lockstep with the FReeper herd).

I am opusing out tomorrow.

No, this is NOT a f***ing April Fool's joke.


80 posted on 03/31/2005 9:00:17 AM PST by Poohbah (I'm in the WPPFF)
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