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Terri: It's not about the "right" to die anymore. It's much worse.

Posted on 03/26/2005 6:13:09 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

We have moved beyond the debate about the "right" to die. It's much worse then that.

The situation right now is this: unelected judges vs elected officials. Who is supreme?

Whether you agree or disagree that the person should have the "right" to die is not the matter anymore. The judge, UNELECTED, ordered the starvation of Terri is far more much worse and the precedent for the future of US will be HUGE. Situation like this make me scare to death when I'll be in court knowing that the judges have the power of life and death over me.


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To: Tax Government

The problem is that the ones among Americans who are the most upset about all this are those who normally obey the authorities - we believe in the American system. So when one leg of the triangle gets out of hand, we expect our elected officials to step in and fix things. Well, now we've got complicit elected officials enabling the judiciary.

How does one accept that it is becoming "We the People" vs. our own? The Federal Bohemoth has finally chewed it's way out of the cage, and is beginning to claim OWNERSHIP of "We the People". Until we get over the denial of this, it will never change. We can fix it at the ballot box (theoretically) by choosing elected officials who say they'll help us, but what punishment when they betray our trust? It's getting far more personal now - now they've started coming after us when no crime has been committed.

Just how big do we let the whites of their eyes get before we let the first rounds go? I fear we've gotten too apathetical and lazy to maintain a Republic.


81 posted on 03/26/2005 7:20:11 PM PST by datura (Fix bayonets.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Greer was elected. Never mind that he didn't file for election as outlined in state law nor did he file his oath as prescribed by state law. We are no longer a nation "of the people ....."


82 posted on 03/26/2005 7:20:19 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: longtermmemmory

what evidence code?


83 posted on 03/26/2005 7:20:34 PM PST by blueriver
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To: George Smiley
"I am not a number, I am a Free Man!"

Came from the lead-in to the British television show "The Prisoner", starring Patrick McGoohan.

I have it on DVD. Chillingly prescient.

84 posted on 03/26/2005 7:25:55 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion.)
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To: datura
This case should be a real warning to the rest of the frogs in the pan: The temperature has been rising.<<<

Ahhhh...but the majority of frogs don't think it applies to them...They feel "fortunate" they can afford to vacation in a cooler climate when it gets hot.......
85 posted on 03/26/2005 7:28:29 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: datura

One of the founders of our nation once stated that the Constitution will only work on a Christian nation, because if immoral people take control of it, they will destroy every trace of a republic and replace it with tyranny. And now his words have come to haunt us.


86 posted on 03/26/2005 7:28:34 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: bubman
A living will will deny the courts a decision on your fate!

That's not true, and people need to understand the laws of the state they are living in. Don't just assume that if you write a living will it will be followed. Some states allow a judge to over rule that in certain circumstances.

87 posted on 03/26/2005 7:30:15 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: George Smiley

In the not-too-distant future, people of certain age and infirmity will have to apply for license to go on living. A medical ethics committee will rule on these matters and render a decision. The courts will order these decisions be followed by letter of law. If certain criterion are not established by the medical record, the license will be denied and that will be that. It is a roaring locomotive coming down the tracks and there seems to be noone in the executive or legislative or judiciary who will stop it. If no one stops it there are many, many Greers and Shiavos who will be glad to impliment it. Just read the posts on Free Republic. If so many are pro killing, do you doubt there will be many who will volunteer to be agents or instruments of death. We have nearly arrived.


88 posted on 03/26/2005 7:30:37 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (.)
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To: Natural Law

save to print.


89 posted on 03/26/2005 7:32:49 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: danamco

The 11th circuit court and the supremes were not elected and they ruled on this case.


90 posted on 03/26/2005 7:39:31 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (.)
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To: MOgirl

Check with the her lawyer and tell him you want to SEE the particulars in your state as to what is considered 'heroic means of...."

I'd still have it in the living will that no matter what the state decrees, that I don't want to be starved.

I said it earlier, I'm having everyint put down that I can think of that I DO NOT want those stinkers and slinkers to do to me.

There's an organization that has information on almost all the states. Is it 'Living Will," on the google...?

Someone out there knows.

GOOD LUCK.

My husband said wants beer in the feeding tube.

I want the chocolate and shortbread with earl grey tea.

Sigh. Combat humor...

What CRETINS exist in the courts....

They don't believe in Hell, you know...

They'll be hungry and thirsty for eternity.... And they will have a memory... They will have the memory of how they signed of on the execution of Terri.


91 posted on 03/26/2005 7:41:29 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

With CRYSTAL CLARITY, Terri's case has UNVEILED America's greatest ugliness and weaknesses, countless problems and the broken state of our government.


92 posted on 03/26/2005 7:42:29 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: bubman
A living will will deny the courts a decision on your fate!

If the courts ignore a subpoena, ignore a law passed by Congress and signed by the President himself, what is going to make them honor a living will drawn up by a mere citizen?

93 posted on 03/26/2005 7:44:53 PM PST by independentgrrl (The epidemy of the left is institutionalized covetousness.)
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To: reformjoy
The name of LIVING WILL is so misleading

Yes it is . . . sort of.

A Will is only in effect when the testator dies. A living will comes into effect when the testator is still living, but can no longer speak for themselves.
94 posted on 03/26/2005 7:45:14 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: datura
Don't forget to indict the MSM in this - they've done their best to disinform the world about Terri's condition. In fact, they've done such a good job that many members here even believe them

Ain't that the truth! Freepers distrusted the MSM and polling during the election cycle, and rightly so, but then some Freepers thought the MSM and the ABC polling jackasses found legitimacy on this issue...Give me a break...

This is still typical of them:

MSM: A Florida brain-dead woman...

95 posted on 03/26/2005 7:45:45 PM PST by frogjerk
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To: Texas Deb
He's right though. This sort of thing matters in foreign affairs. When Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers, it made the Soviets sit up and take notice--this guy was serious, and tough. Because GW Bush and his baby brother backed down from a dispute with a piddly-assed local judge when they could have used their power to save a life that they had committed to save, it shows them as timid in a way that will give our enemies will hope. "Maybe", they will think, "Bush isn't so tough. He does ignore what he wants to do if he fears a backlash in our friend the media. We just need to threaten something that causes him the same fear, and he will back down."

Bush has not wavered in the war on terror yet. But wavering on the duty of a President to protect the life of our citizens is a bad sign that he is capable of wavering in the right circumstances. He has lost some face. That's why his approval ratings are down, it's because conservatives are unhappy, not because moderates are. That's also why the approval ratings are ultimately worthless in connection with national politics--conservatives will still vote GOP for the most part with only a few disillusioned souls staying away from the polls.

Bold, decisive action shocks the body politic when it happens, and then when everyone sees a confident leader doing what he knows is right, and what turns out to be right, they will follow, and eventually, they will call that leader "great". Bush, for all the success in the Middle East of late, ought to remember the lessons of Reagan, Roosevelt (Teddy) and Lincoln, not accept the confines that liberal orthodoxy attempts to place him in.

96 posted on 03/26/2005 7:46:20 PM PST by Defiant (Amend the Constitution to nullify all decisions not founded on original intent.)
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To: msuMD

msuMD,

I read a bit ago that there were 3 out there, but I cannot figure out where or for what.

I wish, so badly that the Lord would just bless that child and let her sit up and talk.

His will be done.

It is hard, isn't it? Sigh. I am "in the flesh."


97 posted on 03/26/2005 7:47:12 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Yes.

Was thinking that, earlier.


98 posted on 03/26/2005 7:47:48 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: TAdams8591

"With CRYSTAL CLARITY, Terri's case has UNVEILED America's greatest ugliness and weaknesses, countless problems and the broken state of our government."


As I have said before, if Terri die tomorrow the precedent will be huge.


Greer: "I am God and you must do as I say"
Judges: "Hey, if Greer can do that then I can do it too!"


99 posted on 03/26/2005 7:49:08 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: bubman

You need to stop quoting Jefferson. It creates cognitive dissonance in the "We are a nation of judges, not men" crowd.


100 posted on 03/26/2005 7:50:38 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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