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Terri: It's not about the "right" to die anymore. It's much worse.

Posted on 03/26/2005 6:13:09 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

We have moved beyond the debate about the "right" to die. It's much worse then that.

The situation right now is this: unelected judges vs elected officials. Who is supreme?

Whether you agree or disagree that the person should have the "right" to die is not the matter anymore. The judge, UNELECTED, ordered the starvation of Terri is far more much worse and the precedent for the future of US will be HUGE. Situation like this make me scare to death when I'll be in court knowing that the judges have the power of life and death over me.


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To: bubman
A living will will deny the courts a decision on your fate!

Yes! You can sign a living will and be starved to death on your own say so! Line forms to the left.

21 posted on 03/26/2005 6:33:00 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
WHO WILL SPEAK FOR YOU WHEN THE JUDGE
DECIDES THAT IT'S YOUR TURN TO DIE?

22 posted on 03/26/2005 6:34:43 PM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

After that, Congress should burn the Constitution, right? This is getting more and more dangerous.


23 posted on 03/26/2005 6:35:45 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: datura

The phrase

"I am not a number, I am a Free Man!"

Came from the lead-in to the British television show "The Prisoner", starring Patrick McGoohan.

Predated Iron Maiden by a bit, I do believe.


24 posted on 03/26/2005 6:37:15 PM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: bubman
Terri's mistake was not to have one!

That's right, let's all blame Terri. It's become the trend these last couple of days -- she was bulimic, you know, it's all her fault she's where she is. She didn't have a living will, you know, it's all her fault she's being starved to death.

25 posted on 03/26/2005 6:38:51 PM PST by workerbee
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To: Iam1ru1-2

There is a reason that the legislative branch tends to roll over on its' back for the judicial branch: Nearly ALL of the members of the legislative branch (Federal and State) are members of the Bar. Lawyers. Once you pass the Bar exam, you become a lifelong member of the Bar.

This nation would do well if it would ban members of the Bar from any branch of the government other than judicial. Conflict of interest at the highest level, leads to the mess we've got today. The subtlety of incrementalism combined with backroom agreements have nearly sealed this nation's fate.

This case should be a real warning to the rest of the frogs in the pan: The temperature has been rising.


26 posted on 03/26/2005 6:40:02 PM PST by datura (Stress is best relieved using therapeutic high explosives.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Thomas Jefferson on the Judges:

"To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."

—Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

27 posted on 03/26/2005 6:41:41 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: George Smiley

Actually, they used that the tape of that intro. I always wondered where it originated - thanks.


28 posted on 03/26/2005 6:41:58 PM PST by datura (Stress is best relieved using therapeutic high explosives.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Living Wills -or- DYING WILLS??

The name of LIVING WILL is so misleading, like you are making this will to enhance your life!

Instead, the WILL is to tell the doctors what to
do with your nearly-dead body!

The name should reflect the reality of the document so people paid more attention to the details and the horrors of the options they might choose.

DYING WILLS... would be more forthright.

And if you don't have one. They should let you LIVE.


29 posted on 03/26/2005 6:42:29 PM PST by reformjoy (Hillary Haters? Nah, just "Freedom Lovers")
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To: bubman
"A living will will deny the courts a decision on your fate!"

But, judge, I was told by her, just before she lost consciousness, that she defenitely didn't want to live like this, and that what she wrote in her living will didn't include this kind of circumstance, so please, judge, do as my wife asks, and order that her feeding tube be removed. NEWSFLASH: Judge Euthanasia Hemlock has ordered that the feeding tube be removed from Ms Life, as her last verbal will to her husband now usurps her former written living will. I have spoken, and so it will be.

30 posted on 03/26/2005 6:42:34 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Hardastarboard
Apparently it is the law that is at fault. They set it out so that petitioning probate court is sort of like applying for a drivers license, so one man can handle it.

Unfortunately, Michael Shiavo and Judge Greer are two peas in a pod. They are control freaks determined to impose their views on everyone else.

No real checks and balances here. There are appeal and Florida Supreme courts, but they routinely skip the appellate court. So the only check is electing the judges, and they don't even campaign. There is no information. There is a petition to impeach him, so I gues that is a possibility

Joe Scarboro, who was from near there says about 2000 people elected him. I have no idea what professional qualifications Greer might have that would say that he should be the one to sort out all the contradictions in the evidence. He obviously did not run things in a way that satisfied lots of people. One thing I do know is that the lawyers made a lot of money.

31 posted on 03/26/2005 6:43:11 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: bubman

Yeah, right, and when they read your living will the courts will exercise the same sort of 'latitude' by which a federal judge giving a statutory mandate to hear Terri's case de novo used in 'interpreting' the statute as requiring him to do nothing.


32 posted on 03/26/2005 6:43:28 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: farmer18th
Jefferson is no doubt spinning in his grave. Jefferson on the Judiciary branch:

"The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please." [Sept 6, 1819]

"You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarcy...The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal...knowing that to whatever hands confided, with corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots." [Sept 28, 1820 letter to William Jarvis]

This quote may be prophetic if you guys don't do the right thing:

"The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary."

I believe the first shot across the bow against the tyranny of the judiciary was just shot. It will be open warfare very very soon.

If you ask me, it's about time!!!

33 posted on 03/26/2005 6:43:31 PM PST by bubman
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Oh, I think there are number of lessons learned from this whole fiasco.

1) The power of the judiciary is absolute, and is not to be questioned.

2) Freedom of religion is no longer a guaranteed right. However, Freedom FROM religion is.

3) We need to save the tax dollars and disband every Child Protective Services (most also handle disabled adults) agency in the country, as we have learned that the decisions of the guardian regarding the safety and welfare of the child are absolute.

4) Starvation and dehydration do not constitute torture in any way, but simply allowing for the natural death process to occur. Hear that, all you death row inmates.

If this were 1776, there would have been an armed insurrection at the hospice.

34 posted on 03/26/2005 6:43:33 PM PST by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
"After that, Congress should burn the Constitution, right?"

It's little more than a doormat these days. Is there any part of it left that hasn't been twisted and violated at some point in time?
35 posted on 03/26/2005 6:44:22 PM PST by Outland (Some people are damned lucky that I don't have Bill Gates' checkbook.)
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To: bubman
Re: "You are in control, Terri's mistake was not to have one!"

You are mistaken. If you think an uncontrolled Court will respect your wishes you are living a dream. You get in their way and have someone in your family who wants you dead who is well connected or finds ruthless lawyers and your wishes be dammed.

It is an amazement to me so many do not see this.
36 posted on 03/26/2005 6:45:12 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: workerbee
"That's right, let's all blame Terri"

It's Greer that is the victim. /sarcasm
37 posted on 03/26/2005 6:45:45 PM PST by Outland (Some people are damned lucky that I don't have Bill Gates' checkbook.)
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To: Natural Law
"It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."

Until this century!

38 posted on 03/26/2005 6:45:53 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
We have moved beyond the debate about the "right" to die.

It is about the Right to Kill.

A score of judges, including the U.S. Supreme Court, have confirmed the right to kill Terri Schiavo.

39 posted on 03/26/2005 6:46:03 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: bubman

Actually, the courts are assuming that Terri's
expressed a verbal-will to her husband!

The only thing a Written "Living Will" would do is
detail her wishes on some (but never possibly all)
circumstances.

The courts are acting as if Terri HAD a "Living Will"
which is really just a document to tell the LIVING
what to do with your DYING Body.


40 posted on 03/26/2005 6:46:32 PM PST by reformjoy (Hillary Haters? Nah, just "Freedom Lovers")
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