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What should the President do about Schiavo? (legally/vanity)
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Posted on 03/26/2005 7:45:25 AM PST by dufekin

Judge George Greer, the Supreme Law in the State of Florida, has removed all of the abilities of Governor Jeb Bush to save Terri Schiavo. I don't know that anyone could save her at this point; a week of dehydration may have done irreversible damage. Still, we must try.

The Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, states,

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Congress is so lethargic and dominated by pro-death Democrats that it surely will not exercise its power in a reasonable time, and its last attempt ended in failure. Contrary to the orders of Judge Greer, Terri Schiavo is not (medically) a xerophyte who can wait until next year for some water. She desperately needs water today.

Florida is bound by the Fourteenth Amendment, and the federal government required the state to accept this article to regain its status as a state after the American Civil War. The State's obvious flouting of its obilgations under the Fourteenth Amendment should rescind the provisions of the Compromise of 1877 that lifted the federal military occupation of Florida during the Reconstruction after the Civil War.

The Congress should have exercised its delegated (Article I, Section 8) power "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions." Moreover, "The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States" (Article II, Section 2). The President also swore or affirmed that he would "to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" (Article II, Section 1).

These powers should allow President Bush to declare a judicial insurrection in Florida, and thereby to call forth both the Florida National Guard and any regular troops in the vicinity to suppress this insurrection.

Suppressing this insurrection must involve--at minimum--rescuing Terri Schiavo and airlifting her to a military hospital in another state. The troops also must hunt down Judge George Greer, Attorney George Felos, and adulterer Michael Schiavo, the triumvirate who started this incurrection.

Alternatively, the President could use the José Padilla precedent to declare Terri Schiavo an enemy combatant. While this action would remove the jurisdiction of the Courts over Terri Schiavo and remove her abusive husband from the equation, it might set the Padilla problems on even more shaky grounds, and I do not advise it.


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To: dufekin

Starving the mentally disabled to death is, unfortunately, the way things are done in the US. And for some time, ala the Cruzan case. Florida state law allows for this to be done. The only reason that Terri's case has come to our attention is that her adulterous husband has pressed forward to off her, in spite of the wishes of his in laws to keep her alive and care for her. Perhaps another reason is that many of us were ignorant of the fact that starving the mentally disabled is standard procedure in the US.


81 posted on 03/26/2005 8:40:51 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: farmer18th

It is scary when some wearing the uniform don't know about that.


82 posted on 03/26/2005 8:41:54 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Ok. So it's the parents' fault? Then tell me, if my parents mess up, will I be placed on a whipping post one day and tortured? And will my friend be lynched? I don't think so.

If they are acting as your guardians, or trying to, and screw up, you get the dirty end of the stick. Just as if you were competent and went into court yourself. If you pick a bad lawyer or mouth off wrong on the stand you can lose everything, including your life.

The government has tremendous authority to stop this, and I'm having trouble thinking that mass insurrection is necessary to protect this lady's inalianable rights.

The Government doesn't have the authority to just Bogart the Judicial system, and that's a good thing, otherwise, it would be powerful enough to do whatever it wanted to anyone, any time.

If that is what is required, watch out. People WILL do it and are beginning to already.

Lots of people have lots of mouth, but very few are ready to actually be shot down in the streets for some woman they never actually knew who is already dead when the answer is just to change the State laws of Flori-duh.

And if they are ready, the vast majority of Americans think she should die, and all but a handful of American Troops will follow lawful orders if necessary and put down any 'insurection' with utmost brutality.

Grow up.

So9

83 posted on 03/26/2005 8:42:39 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: MikeinIraq
You all need to get a grip. This is seriously depressing that FR has gone from Buckhead to bunk in less than 6 months.

Get used to it, at least over the next several days. Blaming those that tried to rescue her is going to be the standard scream around here.

It doesn't mattter how illogical that is. You can see it coming.

In fact, it's already here.

84 posted on 03/26/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

its been going on for about a week now....


85 posted on 03/26/2005 8:43:11 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Delphinium; farmer18th

I can't believe you are agreeing with a nut who thinks Terri's tragedy trumps 9/11 in any shape way or form...

what have you people become?!?


86 posted on 03/26/2005 8:44:47 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
He has the authority, and the responcibilty.

He will be held accountable.
87 posted on 03/26/2005 8:45:59 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: MikeinIraq

Let's just wait and see how the argument turns in 2009, when all the "Real Republicans" have sat out an election to punish us simpletons who still respect the consitution.....and we get President Hillary!

I wonder how they'll react when Hillary! decides its ok to violate the constitution in order to uphold what she and her supporters believe to be a "higher law" or moral calling.

Some folks really don't realize what a dangerous game they are playing....Either we are a government of laws, or a government of men.


88 posted on 03/26/2005 8:46:05 AM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: MikeinIraq
Answer the question.

What are you fighting for?
89 posted on 03/26/2005 8:47:12 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

what kind of stupid question is that....

If you had actually read my posts, you would know I am no longer in Iraq or in the military so technically I am not fighting.

Answer this question. When was the last time you saw straight?


90 posted on 03/26/2005 8:49:53 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Will_Zurmacht

I will be on here laughing at all the b!tching whining moaning and complaining.....and saying I told you so....


91 posted on 03/26/2005 8:50:43 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
You can't tell us to quit caring just to stay uinfied with cowards

I don't think I proposed "telling" you anything, I simply stated a hope that as time passes people will be realistic enough to decide to support the best available electable candidate.

I 'wasted' my vote for Perot in '92, because I was angry with Bush '41. My vote along with others like me got us Clinton. I learned from that experience that while I may not agree with everything about a candidate I get more of what I want by helping elect the lesser of the evils among the Dems and Reps. I wish it were more than a vote for the lesser of the evils, but that's what it is. Having been down the "Perot" road, I certainly can't criticize others for doing the same, but I can hope they can learn from my mistake. That's all I said.

92 posted on 03/26/2005 8:50:50 AM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Dog Gone
This is the most horrific depraved G*dlees inhumane act that I have wittiness my government do in almost 60 years of life. And to think all persons involved are Republicans ensures that Republican will reap what they have sown on this Easter.

Never again will I be swayed by the lessor of two evils argument.

Any government D or R that arrests children for attempting to give a dying woman a drink of water is a government so evil it defies description.

93 posted on 03/26/2005 8:51:55 AM PST by jpsb
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To: MikeinIraq
makes you wonder if these people are conservatives at all

What is a conservative?
94 posted on 03/26/2005 8:52:30 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

you tell me...answer your own stupid questions.....


95 posted on 03/26/2005 8:53:31 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Servant of the 9

"The Government doesn't have the authority to just Bogart the Judicial system, and that's a good thing, otherwise, it would be powerful enough to do whatever it wanted to anyone, any time."

That is where impeachment comes in. Clinton dared us to impeach him when he did very very sleazy 'bogarts'. Our nation survived. I call it 'expediency'. Do you think George Washington or Old Hickory or Thomas Jefferson would have stood by idly? I don't.


96 posted on 03/26/2005 8:54:06 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: MikeinIraq

Okay, what were you fighing for?


97 posted on 03/26/2005 8:54:11 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: not_apathetic_anymore

realism will die on FR when Terri dies.

Let's hope that there is about 5% of the electorate out that will replace the nutzos that will be leaving (thankfully)....


98 posted on 03/26/2005 8:54:32 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: Delphinium

to give the Iraqis a chance at life, but I was a CONTRACTOR.


99 posted on 03/26/2005 8:54:59 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers.)
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To: MikeinIraq
what have you people become?!

Concentrate. I did not compare the two tragedies, but since you are asking me to, I will:

The one tragedy is an attack of pagan savages upon a free republic. The Schiavo tragedy is an attack of our own judges upon a free republic and upon the principal that governments are instituted to protect life. I suppose you could argue that getting killed by our own kind is at least as bad as getting killed by avowed enemies.

Please ponder for just a moment or two before you respond.
100 posted on 03/26/2005 8:55:58 AM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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