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Did the Judges Do Their Jobs? (Vanity)
3/25/2005 | Blake Elliott

Posted on 03/25/2005 7:41:58 AM PST by carolinacrazy

A majority of freepers are incredibly upset at activist judges attempting to legislate from the bench. I share these feelings. But in the Schiavo case, did these judges go against any existing laws, or did they do their jobs while being contrained by the actual law? Is it the opinion of many here that activist judges are ok if the outcome is what you want? Maybe we need some new laws established and the judges actually had their hands tied on this one. Please let me know your opinion.


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1 posted on 03/25/2005 7:41:58 AM PST by carolinacrazy
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To: carolinacrazy

Augggghh, not every thought requires another vanity post!


2 posted on 03/25/2005 7:43:14 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: carolinacrazy
Is it the opinion of many here that activist judges are ok if the outcome is what you want?

Seems to be. Not my opinion though.

3 posted on 03/25/2005 7:44:00 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: carolinacrazy

FR seems COMPLETELY overwhelmed by the Terri Cult.

Yet another thread is oh-so-helpful!


4 posted on 03/25/2005 7:44:51 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Please do not emanate into the penumbra.")
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Apart from Terri being saved one of the great things about a Judicial reversal in this case would have been seeing the DUmmies cry about Judicial Activism.


5 posted on 03/25/2005 7:45:41 AM PST by Borges
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To: carolinacrazy

I think most of the judges did their jobs within the confines of the law. Judges can't have passions or personal opinions or they would not be impartial. That impartiality in a life and death situation like this appears cold and mean, but this appearance is the result of the necessary impartiality judges must posses when making decisions.

I do question some of the things that happened in Greer's courtroom, but once it went to the appellate level, no laws were broken and no precidents were set. The system functioned impartially and I don't think there was any legislating from the bench.


6 posted on 03/25/2005 7:46:38 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Constitution Day
FR seems COMPLETELY overwhelmed by the Terri Cult.

Maybe it should be renamed www.TerrysRepublic.com - seems if you disagree with the current groupthink on the matter, you suddenly become an evil, h*ll-bound commie liberal democrat.

7 posted on 03/25/2005 7:49:06 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Maybe it should be renamed www.TerrysRepublic.com - seems if you disagree with the current groupthink on the matter, you suddenly become an evil, h*ll-bound commie liberal democrat.

You don't even have to disagree with their belief. Even if you question ONE comment or rationale of their's, you are labeled an "evil, h*ll-bound commie liberal democrat."

8 posted on 03/25/2005 7:51:13 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: carolinacrazy
Instead of being motivated to be curious as to the facts surrounding Terri Schiavo’s circumstances and how life ending decisions were come to be made they hide like cowards behind precedent and procedure, afraid to do what is correct and just, afraid to seek answers to the questions outstanding. In Terri Schiavo’s death sentence it slowly became all about the process while the facts of the matter slipped into darkness.

Here is what the judiciary has done in this case. I leave it up to you whether this is right or wrong.

9 posted on 03/25/2005 7:52:20 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: doc30

That is sadly true.
I don't recall a time on FR when people were so unhinged over an issue.


10 posted on 03/25/2005 7:52:37 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Please do not emanate into the penumbra.")
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I knew there were many other people with the same experience. I suppose most of the more moderates here are going keep a low profile. This issue is like wet paint. Touch it and you are marked for a long time.


11 posted on 03/25/2005 7:53:06 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Borges

It is never a good thing to display the same ignorance your enemy does. I understand your point though, but I refuse to join those decroded pieces of crap.


12 posted on 03/25/2005 7:53:35 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: carolinacrazy

I should have identified the source of the quote. It is from Frank Salvato in a piece posted here today.


13 posted on 03/25/2005 7:53:36 AM PST by Bahbah
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So what law is it that denies a person water in this country? That was a NEW law enacted by Judge Greer.


14 posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:48 AM PST by blueriver
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To: doc30
I knew there were many other people with the same experience. I suppose most of the more moderates here are going keep a low profile. This issue is like wet paint. Touch it and you are marked for a long time.

As my name implies, I'm not even a moderate! (Although, I am thinking about changing it to Bluegrass Conservative - with libertarian tendencies.)

I don't necessarily disagree with the folks on the issue. I wish that Michael Schiavo would cede his rights of guardianship to the Schindlers and the whole ordeal be over.

What I disagree with many of these folks on is the role the judicial and executive branches should be playing. I don't want activist judges, even if they promote the outcome I desire.

15 posted on 03/25/2005 7:57:00 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bahbah
Some people are against the death penalty. Some people are against the enormous amount of taxation in this country. Some people believe hard time for drug possession is a waste of time and money. Some people believe that crimes against children should be met with a death penalty. What truly matters is state law, and that is what this case boiled down to. I am appalled that this woman has to lay there and starve, but this is not the judges fault.
16 posted on 03/25/2005 7:57:23 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: blueriver

If I'm not mistaken, the legal guardian has the right to cease all treatment to a person in this condition if the person is not capable of speaking for themselves.


17 posted on 03/25/2005 7:57:45 AM PST by Borges
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
My point exactly. This issue has made hypocrites of many.
18 posted on 03/25/2005 7:59:17 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
If it was al about me I'd ask why do some of my vanities that include a news report go right to "blogs"? But it's an unfair world. The issue of whether the judges acted properly under the law is an important one. Because conservative and liberal judges alike mostly made the same decisions, supports the idea this is legally sound.

But. I once told a then more experienced attorney that an appellate court wouldn't be able to reach a certain decision if they applied the law correctly. He snapped "They do what they want!" And he was right, they did.

Something is out of whack. The judges here had other plausible avenues to take, but their judicial mindset caused them not to meddle in this case. Examples where they do the opposite are legion, but death penalty cases are propably the simplest to analogize.

The courts are certainly within the law when they cause a heinous killer's appeals to last 20 or 30 years, there are lots of states that haven't executed anyone in decades although they have death cases. But they could just as easily have an attitude that quickly dismisses most of those appeals and moves the process along as society wants. They don't. But in this case, they could have allowed Terri to live but found it legally problematic to do so. In my mind the analogy proves the courts are spending our time, money and mental energy in the wrong places.

It's just like the environmental situation. Courts think nothing of tying whole industries up for decades over a spotted owl, but they are nervous about a Terri Schiavo case.

19 posted on 03/25/2005 8:02:08 AM PST by Williams
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If I'm not mistaken - it is against the law to withhold water and food from a disabled person.


20 posted on 03/25/2005 8:03:54 AM PST by blueriver
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