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Posted on 03/21/2005 7:18:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Rose of Sharn
It's hard to get the mares to ever gain weight nursing, you're lucky to keep them at a good weight.

It'd sure be convenient to wean them together, for both of their sake. Am I wrong in thinking Adge should be approaching 5 months now? Wasn't he born middle of Dec? And Thunder in Jan? I might hold off till the youngest is at least 5 months and then wean them together.

How are you going to do it? Have you given it any thought? You might start some conditioning now by feeding them separated in adjacent pens with safe fencing between, like your pipe fence (no wire) and letting them be separated for short period, and hour or so at a time at first while they eat that way. I dunno... maybe the others will comment on the wisdom or lack of it, in that idea.
3,161 posted on 05/02/2005 3:42:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'd rather be happy than right...)
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3,162 posted on 05/02/2005 3:45:40 PM PDT by MissTargets
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To: Rose of Sharn

Sounds to me she just got a snoot full of something that irritated her nose till she got it all sneezed out:)

Horses can have allergies to things.

Becky


3,163 posted on 05/02/2005 3:47:12 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Don't be afraid to try: Remember, the ark was built by amateur's, and the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Adge was born on 26th December and thunder was born I think on the 30th Jan. So only 4 months and 3 months. Misty never put on a lot of weight whilst pregnant and lost it all straight away after foaling. She is having all that she is supposed to have as a nursing mare plus extra.
We have already discussed and decided how to wean them, we have an empty field (not adjoining the colts) that we can put the mares in. We think that leaving the colts in the field that they are used to would be less traumatic for them. We would like to wean them together but I am concerned for Misty. Adge has been seperated for over an hour recently when we have worked with him and he did not seem to be overlly concerned. I know it varies from owner to owner when to wean.........what do you think?


3,164 posted on 05/02/2005 3:50:31 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

That is what I am hoping! I am checking on her every 30 mins though just to be sure........


3,165 posted on 05/02/2005 3:52:04 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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To: Rose of Sharn

It's too soon to wean them. The youngest should be at least 5 months.

Just keep feeding the moms well... there are supplements you can add if they keep dropping... and give as much hay as they want.

The short term separations are good, they can help regulate and know exactly how much each horse is eating and ensure Misty is actually getting what you are feeding her.


3,166 posted on 05/02/2005 3:53:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'd rather be happy than right...)
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Trust me, Misty gets all that she wants! She is the dominant horse and if she wants the colts or Sugars, by God she will go get it! Maybe we should wait on the weaning till Thunder is 5 months, which means 2 months still to go. I will speak to the vet and see if he can't suggest something. I am going to get a full body pic of her now, see u in a bit.
Sharn


3,167 posted on 05/02/2005 3:59:25 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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To: Rose of Sharn

I've weaned babies as early as 3 months, it's not ideal but can be done.

From what I have read mares milk does not really have alot of nutrition after 3 months, so I think weaning at 4 months would be OK especially if the foal is eating good.

If I had a mare that was having trouble keeping weight on, I'd wean as soon as I could. They can loose so quick, and it's really hard to get it back on.

JMO:)

Becky


3,168 posted on 05/02/2005 4:06:28 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Don't be afraid to try: Remember, the ark was built by amateur's, and the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: MissTargets

Oh cool. :) They look like they will last for awhile.


3,169 posted on 05/02/2005 4:13:03 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Well Adge has just started his 5th month. Misty PUT ON weight after we changed feeds, is still getting plenty but has lost some weight again. Can I have everyones opinion on what THEY would do? Thunder is a lot smaller colt, so I wouldnt even begin to wean him till his 5th month, but Adge is so much bigger and stronger looking.
Let me go out and take a pic.........pics say more than a thousand words...........now where have I heard that one???? : D


3,170 posted on 05/02/2005 4:16:32 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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To: Rose of Sharn
How about compromising - take three panels and make a creep feeder - something that both the foals can get in and the mares cannot. Keep grain and hay there constantly for the foals. Not enough to spoil, enough that they clean it up daily and you can replenish daily. Eventually, they will be almost totally switched to feed and off mom. Then wean them both together the middle of next month.

Remember to drop moms' feed for a few days to start to dry them up and then increase it to get them back to the right weight after they dry up.

3,171 posted on 05/02/2005 4:20:14 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Well, it was a bust.

She was very much in heat but wouldn't have anything to do with the stallion --- lashed out at him. Dang!


3,172 posted on 05/02/2005 4:21:54 PM PDT by squarebarb
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Oh, I'm sorry.

Duchess may be able to give better advise then I, but I think sometimes mares have to be hobbled. Headaches you know:)

Becky


3,173 posted on 05/02/2005 4:38:02 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Don't be afraid to try: Remember, the ark was built by amateur's, and the Titanic by professionals.)
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We'll try again tomorrow morning. The studhorse man said he thinks he can have somebody there to help him twitch her. He didn't want me to help, I'm too small.

He said he doesn't like to use hobbles. So have my fingers crossed for tomorrow a.m.


3,174 posted on 05/02/2005 4:45:12 PM PDT by squarebarb
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Problem. I went out to take pics of Misty as she was eating, she left after a while and started the nasal pooling again. I have called the vet and left a message. I noticed that when she turned, her neck wrinkled and it stayed a little wrinkled, so I am very concerned about dehydration. I am waiting to hear from the vet.....

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3,175 posted on 05/02/2005 4:55:56 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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To: Rose of Sharn

She looks pretty good in that picture.. She's just a little thin, but not alarmingly so. Any nasal discharge on the others? Did I see it in Adge or is he dry?


3,176 posted on 05/02/2005 5:01:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'd rather be happy than right...)
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No nasal discharge on the others, I am concerned though, I cam looking out from my balcony at least 300 feet away and I can see her pooling. So much fluid loss cannot be good.
I just wish my vet would hurry up and get back to me!
I havent seperated the horses, I cannot really easily do that alone as i can't move the panels or even do the hinges with one good arm, and Emma is too small to help.
It's already 8pm here and will be getting dark soon : (


3,177 posted on 05/02/2005 5:05:08 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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Is she not able to hang out near him for awhile? I'd think if you just unload her walk her over to the stud there may always be too much surprise and excitement for her to stand quiet.

Is she a maiden mare or has she been bred before?


3,178 posted on 05/02/2005 5:05:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'd rather be happy than right...)
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To: Rose of Sharn

Dang... I don't know what it is, but it ain't normal. When she's dripping, is it both nostrils or just one?


3,179 posted on 05/02/2005 5:10:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'd rather be happy than right...)
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Both nostrils and sometimes out of her mouth if its open. It has stopped again, but I am concerned. I thought maybe she had got something up her nose the first time, but it looks more than that. The discharge is kind of clear/white so I just don't know. vet still hasnt called, I might get deaconjim to try, male voice and the rest!


3,180 posted on 05/02/2005 5:14:10 PM PDT by Rose of Sharn
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