Ruger and S&W

7MAR05 | My own bad self

[Gefreiter]

If anyone owns or has experience with a S&W 457 or Ruger P97 I'd like to hear from you. I'm considering these models but can afford only one. Mission will be range gun with occasional carry.

I live close enough to S&W to buy from the factory, which puts the Smith and this model Ruger in the same price range.

Any advice concerning these weapons is welcome.

Thanks in advance,

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[Eaker]

Here is an old guy shooting a Desert Eagle 50.

If this buzzard can handle it so can our buddy Darksheare!!

DE 50

[Squantos]

http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga_machineguns/m16a1.php

[Squantos]

OK lets see if I can remember this......:o)

Click here for definitions of the terms used in this table.

Model No.

Model Name

Caliber

Barrel Length (in)

Barrel Contour

Barrel Twist

Weight (lbs)

Forward Assist?

Bayonet Lug?

Case Deflect?

Lower receiver

Rear Sight

Grip

Flash Hider

Buttstock Pull (in)

Barrel Slipring

Handguard

Fire Control

Cyclic rate (rpm)

Added

Dropped

Comments

R6000

AR-15 Sporter (SP1)

.223

20

Standard

1:12"

7.5

No

Yes

No

A1

A1

Straight

3-prong

13

Straight

Smooth triangular

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1964

1985

R6001

AR-15 Sporter w/collapsible  stock (SP1 Carbine)

.223

16

Standard

1:12"

5.8

No

Yes

No

A1

A1

Straight

Birdcage

---

Straight

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1977

1985

R6222

AR-15  .22 LR Conversion Kit

.22 LR

---

---

---

1.2

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

---

1990

---

R6420

AR-15 Carbine

.223

16

Standard

1:7"

5.8

Yes

Yes

No

A1

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1985

1987

R6430

Sporter Lightweight

9x19mm

16

Standard

1:10"

7.1

No

Yes

No

A1

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1992

---

Has special deflector

R6450

AR-15 9mm Carbine

9x19mm

16

Standard

1:10"

6.3

No

Yes

No

A1

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1985

1987

R6500

AR-15A2

.223

20

A2

1:7"

7.8

Yes

Yes

No

A1

A1

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1984

1988

Also made in 1989 only

R6510

AR-15A2

.222

20

A2

1:7" (?)

7.8

Yes

Yes

No

A1

A1

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

Made for export to countries where .223 Rem was considered a military round

R6520

AR-15A2 Gov't Model Carbine

.223

16

Standard

1:7"

5.8

Yes

Yes

Yes

A1*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1988

1990

R6530

Sporter Lightweight

.223

16

Standard

1:7"

6.7

Yes

No

Yes

A1*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1991

---

R6550

AR-15A2 Gov't Model

.223

20

A2

1:7"

7.5

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1988

1990

R6551

Sporter Target

.223

20

A2

1:7"

7.5

Yes

No

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1991

---

R6600

AR-15A2 H-BAR

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

8.0

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1986

1991

R6600DH

AR-15A2 Delta H-BAR

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

10.0

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, Semiautomatic

---

1987

1990

3-9X scope, cheekpiece

R6601

Sporter Match HBAR

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

8.0

Yes

No

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1991

---

R6601DH

Sporter Match Delta HBAR

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

10.0

Yes

No

Yes

A2*

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1991

1992

3-9X scope, cheekpiece

R6700

Sporter Competition HBAR

.223

20

HBAR

1:9"

8.5

Yes

No

Yes

A2

A2 (detachable)

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1992

---

R6700CH

Sporter Competition HBAR (select)

.223

20

HBAR

1:9"

10.5

Yes

No

Yes

A2

A2 (detachable)

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1992

---

3-9X scope, cheekpiece

R6700DC

Sporter Conversion Kit

.223

20

HBAR

1:9"

5.5

Yes

No

Yes

---

none

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1993

---

Flattop

R6830

Sporter Lightweight

7.62x39mm

16

HBAR

1:12"

7.5

Yes

No

Yes

A2

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1993

---

R6850DC

Sporter Conversion Kit

7.62x39mm

16

HBAR

1:12"

4.2

Yes

No

Yes

---

none

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1993

---

Flattop

R6851DC

Sporter Conversion Kit

7.62x39mm

20

HBAR

1:12"

5.4

Yes

No

Yes

---

none

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1993

---

Flattop

R6900DC

Sporter Conversion Kit

.223

20

HBAR

1:9"

5.8

Yes

No

Yes

---

A2

A2

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic

---

1993

---

633

9mm Submachine Gun

9x19mm

7

Standard

1:10"

5.4

No

No

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

None

Tapered

Smooth cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-900

Mechanical buffer, flip-down front sight

633HB

9mm Submachine Gun

9x19mm

7

Standard

1:10"

5.4

No

No

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

None

Tapered

Smooth cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-900

Hydraulic buffer, flip-down front sight

634

9mm Submachine Gun

9x19mm

7 or 10.5

Standard

1:10"

5.4

No

No

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

None

Tapered

Smooth cylindrical  on 7" model, ribbed shorty on 10.5" model

Safe, semiautomatic

---

Flip-down front sight on 7" model

635

9mm Submachine Gun

9x19mm

7 or 10.5

Standard

1:10"

5.4

No

No

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

None

Tapered

Smooth cylindrical  on 7" model, ribbed shorty on 10.5" model

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-900 on 7" model, 800-1000 on 10.5" model

Flip-down front sight on 7" model

639

9mm Submachine Gun

9x19mm

7 or 10.5

Standard

1:10"

5.4

No

No

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

None

Tapered

Smooth cylindrical  on 7" model, ribbed shorty on 10.5" model

Safe, semiautomatic, 3-shot burst

700-900 on 7" model, 800-1000 on 10.5" model

Flip-down front sight on 7" model

701

M16A2 Rifle

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

7.9

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

13 5/8"

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-950

705

M16A2 Rifle

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

7.9

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

13 5/8"

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, 3-shot burst

700-950

Standard U.S. Military service rifle

715

M16A2 Rifle

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

7.9

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

A2

13 5/8"

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-950

719

M16A2 Rifle

.223

20

HBAR

1:7"

7.9

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A1

Grooved

A2

13 5/8"

Tapered

Ribbed cylindrical

Safe, semiautomatic, 3-shot burst

700-950

720

M16A2 (M4) Carbine

.223

14.5

HBAR stepped

1:7"

5.7

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A1 or A2

Grooved

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic or 3-shot burst

700-950

727

M16A2 Carbine

.223

14.5

HBAR stepped

1:7"

5.7

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-950

733

M16A2 Commando

.223

11.5

HBAR

1:7"

5.4

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic, full automatic

700-1000

735

M16A2 Commando

.223

11.5

HBAR

1:7"

5.4

Yes

Yes

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

Tapered

Ribbed shorty

Safe, semiautomatic, 3-shot burst

700-1000

750

M16A2 Light Machine Gun

.223

20

MG HBAR

1:7"

12.8

No

No

Yes

A2

A2

Grooved

A2

13 5/8"

Tapered

Square LMG

Safe, full automatic

600-750

Bipod, front grip, carry handle, fires from open bolt

[Phsstpok]

when I have more money to spend on big boy toys

My mantra at work, as the IT Client Architect for a Fortune 100 company, when people talk about my "toys"

They're not toys! They are necessary business tools.

That's not a joke.

This applies in spades to this discussion.

If you think it's the necessary tool to get the job done then screw the price. These aren't toys.

I have a well founded fondness for Rugers, either auto or wheel gun.

Though S&W is in sane hands now, there is that lingering stench about them that will always haunt me, but that's personal. S&W is a fine tool for the intended job.

Go with the one you feel more comfortable with as they are both, technically, excellet products. Right now I don't trust that S&W won't end up in the hands of another anti-gun nut foreigner. But that's me and almost certainly irrelevant.

[Darksheare]

Thanks!

[Darksheare]

LOL!
"Okay, the round hit me in the top of the head. That's just not right!"

His arms are thicker than mine.
(I was the third SHORTEST in ALL of field artillery in 1996.)

[Squantos]

Did that answer yer question ?

[Darksheare]

It appears that the rifling does indeed vary somewhat from model to model.
But some of the models have been dropped from production.
(1:12 rifling sounds kinda odd, wonder how it performs.)

[Squantos]

I have a puter program here somewhere that matches the twist rate with the ammunition . It was gift from a wildcatter....... It was expensive having barrels made for the commercial loads vs reloading ammo for the barrels I had......it took me a few grey cells more than I could spare to figure that magic out ......:o)

[Billthedrill]

Gotta echo Squantos on that. I have both, although not that model of Smith. The Blackhawk has a 6" barrel and is my revenge piece for when some turkey lights off a cannon in the lane next to me indoors. Lots of muzzle blast.

Now, this is just a subjective impression so take it with a grain of salt, but to me the .41 seems to have a more percussive feel to it than a .44 magnum. Sharper recoil, different sound. The .44 seems to be actually a bit more pleasant, although some of that is due to load and some of it to a longer barrel on my .44. Your mileage may vary.

The .41 magnum was originally envisioned as a law enforcement round to replace the .38 special, but since most LEO's don't practice as much as they should there was a major issue with recoil control. (That's the issue that sidelined the 10mm semi, BTW, which the FBI was considering as a follow-on to the 9mm for the same purpose - great cartridge, but a bit of a handful for someone not used to it).

As for the issue others have mentioned, revolver versus semiauto, I have a simple, universal answer - you need one of each. Several of each. LOTS of each. Harrumph.

[Tijeras_Slim]

(I was the third SHORTEST in ALL of field artillery in 1996.)

And that's counting the two 155 rounds they dressed up! :)

[Darksheare]

Well, one was a Copperhead round..

[Tijeras_Slim]

I see Squantos answered your question. I sort of picture him like Yul Brenner in the 10 Commandments, holding a BAR and saying "So let it be written, so let it be done."

[PatriotEdition]

"I'm over there under the same screen-name."

WOW! I'm jumping on over there now!!! Can't wait!!! Thanks!!!!!

[Darksheare]

I imagined a wizard looking guy with complex powder load and pressure tables written in a leather bound book.
*chuckle*

[Squantos]

LOL......Nice spin on a old bald headed drunk on the floor of the Ponderosa demanding 10 more shots of scripture !

Ya'll Stay safe !

[Darksheare]

Willdo!

[Tijeras_Slim]

Better there than the Blarney Stone!

[Squantos]

Well there ya at least get kissed........wasn't that you that told me that ?:O)

[Tijeras_Slim]

Every decent citizen on S-14 cheered when that place burned down. (I wasn't one of them!)