[VANITY] Where can I find a list of states with most liberal gun laws

Liberal as in "open" or Liberal as in "left wing?"

www.packing.org

Alaska has pretty open gun laws. I believe at the present time you don't need a permit to carry concealed there.

Check out Minnesota.

When I lived there, medical care was excellent, but there was no way to get a CCW. However, since I've lived there, a "shall issue" law has passed that is great for 2nd Amendment advocates.

States with the most liberal gun laws are the ones with the highest crime rates. Easy correlation.

Try this site on CNN

It's interactive, but if you know what you're looking for, it has some good info.

Texas seems to have good care in the cities (other than liberal-in-the-bad-sense Houston). Rural, as always, is another matter.

I think you got that backwards. States like NY have liberal gun laws??????? Please provide proof.

Our gun laws favor the carrier but our doctors do have some to be desired. I'm a paraplegic and I get my health-care in Boston, at the VA spinal cord injury clinic.

In NH, that is.

Actually Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in Lebanon, NH is an excellent hospital. Plus, New Hampshire is not too far away from Boston in case you need anything major done.
Good luck.
PS. packing.org is an excellent site for check out each state's gun laws.
Go to http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/hosptl/tophosp.htm to look up best hospitals in each specialty.

In Michigan we're pretty free with shotguns and rifles but permits are required for handuns.

I think that people here are confusing the definition of "liberal"
Some people are interpreting liberal to mean non-restrictive and open.

Some are interpreting liberal to mean very anti-gun (as in politics liberal)

The poster of this thread needs to make a distinction as to which definition he means.

The states with the most liberal gun laws in no special order CA, IL, NY, DC and MA.

Thanks for asking.

I'd look closer then at the state level for medical care - care varies widely by region. I live in VT and we have very loose gun laws and the hospital I'm near is a very good one but some of the other hospitals in other areas of the state I wouldn't have my dog treated at.

Dartmouth Hitchcock in Lebanon, NH is a great hospital and as someone else said NH is close to Boston if you need a specialist down there.

Another thing to consider in retirement is weather. As I get older I can see why the older folks fly south for the winter - it gets harder and harder to walk in this crud (snow and ice).

LQ

New Hampshire is not too far away from Boston in case you need anything major done.

Good point. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive from the middle of the White Mountains into downtown Boston. Southern NH would obviously be faster, maybe 1 1/2 hours.

When I lived in NH, handgun purchases were instant check, and CCWs were issued by the local police chief, sometimes in less than 24 hours (depends on the town, avoid Nashua).

Pennsylvania. World-class university medical facilities in Phily, Harrisburg and Pittsburgh -- cutting edge stuff. Right to carry state also -- "shall issue" clause in state constitution. Probably more carry permits than any state in the union. Outside Philly and a few eastern cities, very low crime rate as well.

"Liberal" as in "loose". I thought that would be self-evident. I don't want MA or NY. NH would be nice but not famous for good medical facilities...

"I think that people here are confusing the definition of 'liberal'"

liberal, a. and n.

("lIb@r@l) Forms: 4–5 liberale, (5 libral), 4–7 liberall(e, 5–6 lyberal(l, 4– liberal. [a. OF. liberal (F. libéral) = Sp., Pg. liberal, It. liberale, ad. L. lWberQlis pertaining to a free man, f. lWber free.]

A. adj.

1. Originally, the distinctive epithet of those ‘arts’ or ‘sciences’ (see art 7) that were considered ‘worthy of a free man’; pposed to servile or mechanical. In later use, of condition, pursuits, occupations: Pertaining to or suitable to persons of superior social station; ‘becoming a gentleman’ (J.). Now rare, exc. of education, culture, etc., with mixture of senses 3 and 4: Directed to general intellectual enlargement and refinement; not narrowly restricted to the requirements of technical or professional training. Freq. in liberal arts.

c1375 Sc. Leg. Saints xxiv. (Alexis) 111 Þai set hyme ayrly to þe schule, artis liberalis for-thy þat he suld cone. 1422 tr. Secreta Secret., Priv. Priv. 144 Libral Sciencis, that is to Say fre scyencis, as gramer, arte, fisike, astronomye, and otheris. 1509 Hawes Past. Pleas. xvi. (Percy Soc.) 62 Physyke can not be lyberall As the vii. science by good auctorite. 1557, 1579 [see art 7]. 1589 Greene Menaphon (Arb.) 61 It behooued her to further his Destinies with some good and liberall education. 1638 F. Junius Paint. Ancients 232 None among all other liberall arts do require+so great helps. a1661 Fuller Worthies (1840) III. 209 He made any liberal employment beseem him; reading, writing [etc.]. 1680 Evelyn Diary 18 Apr., A painting by Verrio, of Apollo and the Liberal Arts. 1741 Middleton Cicero I. i. 7 Agriculture was held the most liberal employment in old Rome. 1749 Chesterfield Lett. (1792) II. cciii. 272 If you have not+liberal and engaging manners+you will be nobody. 1753 W. Shipley in D. G. C. Allan William Shipley (1968) 229 (title) Proposals for raising by subscription a fund to be distributed in premiums for the promoting of improvements in the Liberal Arts and Sciences, Manufactures, etc. 1757 Burke Abridgm. Eng. Hist. ii. i. Wks. (1812) 256 They are permitted+to emerge out of that low rank into a more liberal condition. 1776 Adam Smith W.N. v. ii. II. 478 The ingenious arts and the liberal professions. 1801 Strutt Sports & Past. i. iii. 40 Two centuries back horse-racing was considered as a liberal pastime, practised for pleasure rather than profit. 1818 Hallam Mid. Ages (1872) I. 342 Rarely met with except in persons of good birth and liberal habits. 1845 Stephen Comm. Laws Eng. (1874) I. 1 Men of liberal eduction and respectable rank. 1849 Macaulay Hist. Eng. vi. II. 55 They wandered to countries which neither mercantile avidity nor liberal curiosity had ever impelled any stranger to explore. 1868 M. Pattison Academ. Org. v. 192 The distinction+will always remain as fundamental between the liberal and professional. 1875 Jowett Plato (ed. 2) IV. 335 The free use of words and phrases+is generally characteristic of a liberal education. 1906 P. Abelson (title) The seven liberal arts, a study in mediæval culture. 1950 E. H. Gombrich Story of Art xv. 215 The so-called Liberal Arts such as rhetorics, grammar, philosophy and dialectic. 1951 [see clinic n.² 3]. 1961 New Scientist 16 Mar. 662/1 The better public schools+should be converted to liberal-arts colleges on the American pattern. 1965 Listener 11 Mar. 387/2 (Advt.), The major part of the work will be teaching Sociology,+but appropriately qualified candidates will be expected to teach Liberal studies. 1973 Jrnl. Genetic Psychol. CXXII. 183 The educational problems of the troubled liberal arts college student.

2. a. Free in bestowing; bountiful, generous, open-hearted. Const. of.

1387 Trevisa Higden (Rolls) VII. 119 In fiŠtinge he was strong, in giffynge liberal. 1426 Lydg. De Guil. Pilgr. 22438 They seyne eke they be lyberal, Though they be streyte and ravynous. c1430 ABC of Aristotle in Babees Bk. 12, L to looth for to leene, ne to liberal of goodis. 1513 More in Hall Chron., Edw. V (1548) jb, Somwhat aboue his power liberall. 1520 Caxton's Chron. Eng. iv. 31b/2 He was full lyberall to all men. 1535 Coverdale Ecclus. xxxi. 23 Who so is liberall in dealynge out his meate, many men shall blesse him. 1596 Shakes. Merch. V. iv. i. 438, I see sir you are liberall in offers. a1625 Fletcher Love's Pilgr. iii. iii, As you are a gentleman, be liberal. 1659 Hammond On Ps. lxvi. 15 Paraphr. 324 This I will now doe in the liberallest and most magnificent manner. 1785 Cowper Task iv. 413 Knaves in office+liberal of their aid To clamorous importunity in rags. 1860 Dickens Uncomm. Trav. xi, The bearers+are persons to whom you cannot be too liberal. 1863 Cowden Clarke Shaks. Char. v. 124 With Cassio he is patronising, and liberal of his advice. 1886 Ruskin Præterita I. vi. 184 Wisely liberal of his money for comfort and pleasure. 1611 Bible Isa. xxxii. 8 The liberall deuiseth liberall things. 1692 Locke Educ. §105 Let them find by experience, that the most liberal has always most plenty.

b. Of a gift, offer, etc.: Made without stint. Of a meal, an entertainment, etc., also of a fortune: Abundant, ample.

1433 Rolls of Parlt. IV. 425/1 Of the whiche his liberall offre ye said Lords þankid hym. 1513 More in Hall Chron., Edw. V (1548) iijb, Wyth ouer liberall and wanton diet, he waxed somewhat corpulent & bourly. 1535 Coverdale Ps. xx[i]. 3 Thou hast preuented him with liberall blessinges. 1602 Life T. Cromwell iii. i. 97 Therefore, kind sir, thanks for your liberal gift. 1607 Topsell Four-f. Beasts (1658) 360 The lion, having been lately filled with some liberal prey, did not presently fall to eat him. 1672–5 T. Comber Comp. Temple (1702) 332 Some of our liberalest foundations+are of their Erection. 1689 Burnet Tracts I. 19 To correct the moisture of the Air with liberal entertainments. 1828 Scott F.M. Perth xxxiv, ‘A liberal offer’+said the Host of the Griffin. 1843 R. S. Candlish in Jean L. Watson Life viii. (1882) 88 My cordial thanks for the liberal provision you have made for me. 1853 Kane Grinnell Exp. xxxvi. (1856) 327 The men drank it [beer] in most liberal quantities.

c. Hence occas. of outline, parts of the body, etc.: Ample, large.

1616 B. Jonson Devil an Ass i. iii. (1631) 109 Against this husband; Who, if we chance to change his liberall eares To other ensignes, and with labour make A new beast of him. 1798 Landor Gebir i. 204 More of pleasure than disdain Was in her dimpled chin and liberal lip. 1897 Allbutt's Syst. Med. IV. 381, I think I have observed that women of slender frame more often contract renal disease under pregnancy than those of more liberal outline.

3. †a. Free from restraint; free in speech or action. In 16–17th c. often in a bad sense: Unrestrained by prudence or decorum, licentious. liberal arbitre (= F. libéral arbitre, L. liberum arbitrium): free will. Obs.

1490 Caxton Eneydos xii. 44 Wyll thou commytte & vndresitte thy lyberal arbytre to thynges Impossyble. 1526 Pilgr. Perf. (W. de W. 1531) 131 And where there is a quicke wytte & a liberall tong, there is moche speche. c1594 Kyd Sp. Trag. (1620) I4 It lyes not in Lorenzos power To stop the vulgar liberall of their tongues. 1599 Shakes. Much Ado iv. i. 93 A ruffian Who hath indeed most like a liberall villaine, Confest the vile encounters they have had. 1604 I Oth. ii. i. 165 Is he not a most prophane, and liberall Counsailor? 1608 Middleton Fam. Love v. ii, I stand The theme and comment to each liberal tongue. 1613 Beaum. & Fl. Captain ii. ii, And give allowance to your liberall jests Upon his person. 1670 Cotton Espernon iii. ix. 469, I shall not+attempt to pass so liberal a judgment upon a person I am, for so many respects, oblig'd to honour. 1689 Wood Life 31 Aug., Mr. Henry Dodwell+liberal in his discourse at London, so much that a gent. threatened to bring him into danger. 1709 Steele Tatler No. 79 34 The Old Devil at Temple-Bar,+where Ben. Johnson and his Sons used to make their liberal Meetings.

b. Of passage, etc.: Freely permitted, not interfered with. Obs. exc. arch.

1530–1 Act 22 Hen. VIII, c. 14 His lyberall and free habytations resortes and passages to and fro the vniuersall places of this realme. 1532 Act 23 Hen. VIII, c. 18 Ships should haue their liberall and direct passage in the mids of the streames of the said riuer of Ouse and water of Humber. 1871 R. Ellis tr. Catullus lxviii. 69 He in a closed field gave scope of liberal entry.

c. Of construction or interpretation: Inclining to laxity or indulgence; not rigorous. †Also of a translation: Free, not literal.

1778 Jefferson Autobiog. Wks. 1859 I. 146, I have added Latin, or liberal English translations. 1792 A. Hamilton Let. to E. Carrington Wks. (ed. Lodge) VIII. 264 A disposition on my part towards a liberal construction of the powers of the national government. 1818 Cruise Digest (ed. 2) III. 407 The learned Commentator+put a much more liberal construction on the dictum in the Year Book.

†d. With agent-noun: That does something freely or copiously. Obs.

1668 Culpepper & Cole Barthol. Anat. ii. i. 87 So much+as may suffice a Child that is a liberal Sucker.

4. a. Free from narrow prejudice; open-minded, candid.

1781 Gibbon Decl. & F. xxx. III. 142 A Grecian philosopher, who visited Constantinople soon after the death of Theodosius, published his liberal opinions concerning the duties of kings. 1803 Med. Jrnl. IX. 444 A liberal investigation of the curative power of topical cold to arthritic inflammation. 1817 J. Evans Excurs. Windsor etc. 20 The late Dr. Watson+published a liberal reply to the Historian in his Apology for Christianity. 1818 Jas. Mill Brit. India II. v. viii. 684 Liberal enquiries into the literature and institutions of the Hindus. 1849 Macaulay Hist. Eng. iv. I. 467 The resentment which Innocent felt towards France, disposed him to take a mild and liberal view of the affairs of England.

b. esp. Free from bigotry or unreasonable prejudice in favour of traditional opinions or established institutions; open to the reception of new ideas or proposals of reform.
Hence often applied as a party designation to those members of a church or religious sect who hold opinions ‘broader’ or more ‘advanced’ than those in accordance with its commonly accepted standard of orthodoxy, e.g. in Liberal Catholic. Liberal Christian: in the U.S. chiefly applied to the Unitarians and Universalists; in England somewhat more vaguely to those who reject or consider unessential any considerable part of the traditional system of belief; so liberal Christianity, liberal theology. Also in application to Judaism.

1823 (title) The liberal Christian. 1828 (title) Which society shall you join, liberal or orthodox? 1846 O. W. Holmes A Rhymed Lesson 308 Thine eyes behold A cheerful Christian from the liberal fold. 1862 Dublin Rev. Nov. 48 Our friends the ‘liberal’ Catholics may be interested in a note to F. Faber's treatise. 1876 O. B. Frothingham Transcendentalism New Eng. vi. 128 It may be inferred that Transcendentalism in New England was a movement within the limits of ‘liberal’ Christianity or Unitarianism as it was called. 1886 W. P. Roberts Liberalism in Religion 56, I maintain that Liberal Protestantism, Liberal Christianity, is not anti-dogmatic, is not anti-theological. Ibid. 59 Now I am positively for dogma, and so I am sure is every Liberal Christian. 1886 W. Barry in Fortn. Rev. Feb. 185 It would still appear to me+that the Liberal Protestantism of the day is a makeshift. 1900 Jewish Q. Rev. July 618 (heading) Liberal Judaism in England. Ibid., These liberal Jews have no organization. 1920 R. Macaulay Potterism vi. v. 253 Modernist liberal-catholic vicars asked him to preach. 1957 Oxf. Dict. Chr. Ch. 807/1 The ‘Liberal Catholics’ who formed a distinguished group in the RC Church in the 19th cent. were for the most part theologically orthodox, but they favoured political democracy and ecclesiastical reform.+ ‘Liberal Protestantism’+developed into an anti-dogmatic and humanitarian reconstruction of the Christian faith. 1965 Sunday Times 5 Feb. 5/3 A plan for a national conference of non-orthodox synagogues, Reform (progressive) and Liberal. 1968 B. M. G. Reardon (title) Liberal Protestantism. 1974 Times Lit. Suppl. 19 Apr. 424/4 Judaism is divided into Orthodox, Conservative and Reform varieties following the American terminology, and not into the British Orthodox, Reform and Liberal camps.

5. Of political opinions: Favourable to constitutional changes and legal or administrative reforms tending in the direction of freedom or democracy. Hence used as the designation of the party holding such opinions, in England or other states; opposed to Conservative. Liberal-Labour, of or pertaining to (persons associated with or sympathetic to) both the Liberal and the Labour parties. So Liberal Labourism. Cf. Lib-Lab a.
In Liberal Conservative, the adj. has rather sense 4 than this sense; the combination, however, is often hyphened, which perhaps indicates that it is interpreted as = ‘partly Liberal, partly Conservative.’ Liberal Unionist: a member of the party formed by those Liberals who refused to support Mr. Gladstone's measure of Irish Home Rule in 1886.

1801 Hel. M. Williams Sk. Fr. Rep. I. xi. 113 The extinction of every vestige of freedom, and of every liberal idea with which they are associated. 1842 Cobden Speech in Morley Life x. (1882) 34/2, I believe the right hon. Baronet [Peel] to be as liberal as the noble Lord [J. Russell]. 1847 Ld. Cockburn Jrnl. II. 191, I have scarcely been able to detect any Candidate's address which, if professing Conservatism, does not explain that this means ‘Liberal Conservatism’. 1866 Geo. Eliot F. Holt (1868) 29 Harold meant to stand on the Liberal side. 1879 G. B. Smith Life Gladstone I. i. 9 Principles+which we usually associate with the name of Liberal-Conservative. 1881 M. E. Herbert Edith 190 The Liberal Government had outlived its popularity. 1899 Ld. Rosebery in Westm. Gaz. 31 Oct. 2/2 There is no such party known+to the Speaker or the Whips, as the party of the Liberal Imperialists. 1901 Scotsman 12 Mar. 6/2 Liberal Unionism is still a vital force in British politics. 1909 Daily Chron. 14 July 1/7 Mr. Hancock, the Liberal-Labour candidate for Mid-Derbyshire. 1929 M. Beer Hist. Brit. Socialism (new ed.) II. iv. xvi. 315 In 1898 Gladstone died, and with him one of the main pillars of Liberal Labourism disappeared from British politics.

6. Comb. as liberal-anarchic, -bourgeois, -cultural, -democratic, -empiricist, -hearted, -humanist, -minded, -scientific, †-talking adjs.; liberal-anarchism, -mindedness.

1964 New Society 13 Feb. 17/2 The progressive schools have been liberal-anarchic, the product of free enterprise in unorthodox educational ideas. Ibid., Liberal-anarchism will no longer do.

1951 Koestler Age of Longing vi. 103 Where did you pick up this idea out of the liberal-bourgeois philosophy of law? 1953 A. K. C. Ottaway Educ. & Soc. v. 88 The supporter of the pure liberal-cultural tradition.

1940 Liberal-democratic [see culture n. 5a].

1949 Mind LVIII. 254 More than anyone, except perhaps Bertrand Russell, he [sc. L. T. Hobhouse] may be regarded as the inheritor of the liberal-empiricist mantle of John Stuart Mill.

1597 Hooker Eccl. Pol. v. lxv. §20 The liberall harted man is by the opinion of the prodigall miserable.

1957 N. Frye Anat. Crit. 6 It would be easy to compile a long list of such determinisms in criticism, all of them, whether Marxist+liberal-humanist+or existentialist, substituting a critical attitude for criticism.

1756 Johnson in Boswell Johnson, The booksellers are generous Liberal~minded men. 1818 Shelley Rev. Islam Pref., Can he who the day before was a trampled slave suddenly become liberal-minded? 1850 Tennyson In Mem. Concl. 38 Thou art+liberal-minded, great, Consistent. 1925 Beerbohm Observations 16 Too proud to fight?+or too liberal-minded?—or what? 1961 New Eng. Bible Acts xvii. 11 The Jews here were more liberal-minded than those at Thessalonika. 1971 ‘D. Halliday’ Dolly & Doctor Bird v. 71 Mini Adult Show for the Liberal Minded.

1783 Gentl. Mag. LIII. ii. 938 What the liberal-mindedness of the present age amounts to [etc.]. 1874 Spurgeon Treas. Dav. Ps. lxxxix. 43 Indifference to all truth, under the name of liberal-mindedness, is the crowning virtue of the age.

1958 Times Lit. Suppl. 17 Jan. 26/4 The obvious charge which can be brought against this picture of a suppressed liberal-scientific element is the undeniable fact that it never showed any signs of formulating a practical alternative to current political or ethical machinery.

1612 N. Field Woman a Weathercock iii. i. F1b, Next to that, the fame, Of your neglect, and liberall talking tongue, Which bred my honour an eternall wrong.

B. n.

1. A member of the Liberal party (see A. 5). a. in continental politics.

1820 Edin. Rev. XXXIV. 3 Our travellers+continue to resort to Paris+and occasionally take part with Ultras or with Liberals. 1823 Southey in Q. Rev. XXVIII. 496 The Liberals of that day [end of 18th c.]+ flew at high game.+ There was a scheme for establishing a society of Liberals at Cleves, where+they were to employ themselves in the task of destroying Christianity by means of the press. 1848 W. K. Kelly tr. L. Blanc's Hist. Ten Y. I. 52 The part played by the liberals during this time was as follows. 1885 Lowe Prince Bismarck I. 469 This was evidently the calculation of the Liberals in the Reichstag, when+they began a series of attempts to cobble at the Constitution.

b. in British politics.
Early in the 19th c. the n. occurs chiefly as applied by opponents to the advanced section of the Whig party: sometimes in Sp. or Fr. form, app. with the intention of suggesting that the principles of those politicians were un-English, or akin to those of the revolutionaries of the Continent. As, however, the adj. was already English in a laudatory sense, the advocates of reform were not reluctant to adopt the foreign term as descriptive of themselves; and when the significance of the old party distinctions was obliterated by the coalition of the moderate Whigs with the Tories and of the advanced Whigs with the Radicals, the new names ‘Liberal’ and ‘Conservative’ took the place of ‘Whig’ and ‘Tory’ as the usual appellations of the two great parties in the state.

[1816 Southey in Q. Rev. XV. 69 These are the personages for whose sake the continuance of the Alien Bill has been opposed by the British Liberales. 1826 Scott Jrnl. 19 Nov., Canning, Huskisson, and a mitigated party of Liberaux. 1834 M. Edgeworth Helen xxxv. III. 66 That one born and bred such an ultra exclusive+should be obliged after her marriage+to open her doors and turn ultra liberale, or an universal suffragist.] 1822 (title) The Liberal. Verse and Prose from the South. 1828 Blackw. Mag. XXIII. 174 What lurking conspirator against the quiet of his native government+has failed to ask and receive the protection of our Liberals? 1850 L. Hunt Autobiog. II. xi. 77 Newer and more thorough-going Whigs+were known by the name of Radicals, and have since been called+Liberals. 1865 J. S. Mill in Morn. Star 6 July, A Liberal is he who looks forward for his principles of government; a Tory looks backward. 1879 McCarthy Own Times II. xix. 51 A large number of Liberals were no doubt influenced by this view of the situation.

c. In extra-European politics, and in wider application.

1832 Liberal (St. Thomas, Ontario) 20 Sept. 3/4 We shall first notice the slanderous imputations cast upon the Liberals, that they are a discontented set of men, ever on the watch to find occasion for complaint and clamour. 1854 N.Y. Tribune 22 Apr. 5/5 The ‘Liberals’ of Maine have called a ‘State Democratic Mass Convention’ at Portland. 1918 H. V. Evatt Liberalism Austral. x. 66 The Sydney press claimed that its own free traders were the Liberals. 1940 N.Y. Times 23 Jan. 20/4 Since then [sc. the Russian Revolution] Liberal has been a word of confusion. Everybody who was not a Conservative became a Liberal or Radical or Red, whichever came first to the mind. 1955 D. Viklund tr. Tingsten Probl. S. Afr. x. 116 A Communist in South Africa is often, according to the general usage of the word, a liberal. 1957 New Yorker 12 Jan. 25/1 Both she and Robbie were campus liberals; they had met at a gathering that had something to do with the Spanish war. a1964 H. Hoover in W. Safire New Lang. Politics (1968) 232/2 Fuzzy minded totalitarian liberals who believe that their creeping collectivism can be adopted without destroying personal liberty and representative government. 1969 New Yorker 14 June 44/2, I don't think he is a liberal. He's tight with his money, and he wants to see the poor work for their money.

2. One who holds ‘liberal’ views in theology. Chiefly U.S.

1887 Beacon (Boston U.S.) 8 Jan., In Boston a minister is called a liberal when he rejects the Andover creed, and, perhaps, the Apostles' Creed.