I suppose this means we'll feed ya to a Panda, right?
Posted on 02/19/2005 11:58:48 AM PST by chaco canyon
Religuous people are good people that are being led astray. They are systematically being manipulated to remove the power that they have to use their potent brains. It is easy to believe someone who says he has an alluring answer, an answer that cannot be logically disputed. The fundamental mechanics of religion are the same as a virus. It attacks those that are mentally weakened, and when they are young and suscepable to the concept of magic.
Understanding of the beautiful complexity of the world is opening up to individuals that grasp the complex concepts. The universe seems to be alive and intelligent to those that do not have a closed mind. Religious dogma's do not approach this level of understanding. We live in a remarkable time, where so much is being learned so quickly, we do not yet have time to take it all in, to synthesize this. The vast majority of human problems are caused by human thinking. The religous order hamper human exploration, becuase they believe that they have answers. The intelligent universe seems to be telling us to live sustainably and to grow mentally to become more like what we seek. This is counter to most religous organizations.
WE must recognize that ancient knowledge is incomplete and often incorrect. The world is dynamic and these variations must be taken to account to adapt our moral code to survive and grow. We cannot afford to revel in ignorance forever. The limits of ancient knowledge are met at Armaggedon.
Evil MEN praise God to gain power. Hitler was a friend of the Pope and a good catholic. He called on God often for help. Terrorism is viable in a religous context, because people believe in what will happen when they die. Religion has always been used to manipulate the masses, the dark ages can return and get even DARKER.
Faith eventually destroys good will between men, because faith give all men the idea that they have their private truth. But there is only one truth in the world. When there are differences between religions, they should be resolved. People working together to find THE truth, not advocating their private truth. Fighting over differences means that the understanding of truth is limited. Fighting will not find truth. Only an open mind can find truth. The most savage places on earth are the most religous. Puritanism kills. We are not becoming a kinder nation.
There is a Mathematical principle call Godels theorem. It says that all systems, no matter how perfect are incomplete. These create paradoxes (religious differences). Paradoxes, are not something to fight over. They are GATEWAYS to a greater system, to a more complete truth. I call this the Mathematics of Peace. There are many advances that we are not utilizing for the social good. We are rehashing ancient failures, each time they are becoming more deadly and heinous as we become more powerful. The religous system creates good and evil and conflict. Signicantly different paradigms are available to people willing to think. Good and evil, heaven and hell are primitive that are keeping us in a prison. We are reaching the time when there are too many people in the world to survive with this type of thinking. Free your mind. Do kind compassionate things without the need for a reward for heaven. Try to understand the how the universe works, and work in sync with it. It is understandable and useful for peace and growth.
"In all my discussions I have tried to make people see the point of what I say. It seems to me that it is more important to discredit than to hear, becuase my ideas challenge. I dont think that people have really understood what I get at, because it is too inflamatory."
No..it is pretentious piffle.
Yes, this is all part of the discussion that science and God are not mutually exclusive.
I think it not a new area of discussion however. it is as old as religion itself.
These so called contradictions seem to me a valid discussion, but often so misunderstood. As they have been for millennia.
Some cannot accept them. Some misinterpret. Some understand.
So what else is new?(sarcasm)
God has a role for all of us. Religion and belief in God are not necessarily connected at the hip. One can do and be both, or neither, or either. And to various degree.
Just as the Bible teaches us not to judge, or to judge. The interpretations can sometime conflict. As does life itself and everything else.
I accept that as a reality and I plod along.
This poster was MIA from 11/03 to 1/05.
This also, is not religious NEWS...but his opinion...which means it should probably have been put in the blog forum.
I suppose this means we'll feed ya to a Panda, right?
Anybody know how to contact Dan Scott Ashwander? 
You are an egotist and are not god. Evidently, you are too small minded to even conceive of a god larger than you. My God weeps because of your blind self love. Contrary to your belief, you don't know it all and with your attitude, aren't willing to learn. You and your misguided ideas are not the center of the universe. Quite the opposite as your god was tossed down by my God.
You're welcome. Although I don't really think the issue whether Hitler was a Christian is pertinent: The invocation of Hitler in a debate of this kind is nothing but a "cheap shot" rhetorically, and instantly discredited the vanity poster's argument. That is why I haven't wasted my time engaging him.
Back at ya,' with thanks.
Does this mean we're going to slowly roast you alive on a spit in the bowels of the ninth level of Naar?
Hmmmmmm, I see it more as exposed mental anguish.
Something we go through at some point in life. Especially when things just don't add up. Closely held beliefs are challenged for some reason.
Reality, and life, but normal.
We just usually don't lay it out for others to see.
Sometimes as a result there is an epiphany of clarity.
Dang!
Ok, we get a little agreement. It is an old arguement. And without necessarily subtracting God, there are some "human trappings of God' that are causing problems. Again, not a new arguement. What I think is new, and not present in many peoples minds is that there are some mathematics and some sciencific approaches that indicate some moral foundations are causing conflict in the world and lead to decline of the human population. People forget that there are way too many people in this world, from a simple biological perspective. We dont know have room or the resources to behave as we once did. Religion says change is bad. Rational thought says change is a neccessity.
*chuckle*
Thanks!
My sis found that image for me.
"Religion says change is bad."
Where does it say that?
And vice versa. Don't forget Pius XII's encyclical (March 1937) "Mit brennender Sorge" [With burning sorrow---yes, the choice of the German language was deliberate...] which was a full-throated denunciation of Nazism:
Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community--however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things--whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
Hitler a "friend of the Pope"? The Pope a "friend of Hitler"? In a just world, such a vile charge would be met only with contemptuous silence.
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