what a drama queen ...
any one can see we're just playing
Posted on 02/19/2005 11:58:48 AM PST by chaco canyon
Religuous people are good people that are being led astray. They are systematically being manipulated to remove the power that they have to use their potent brains. It is easy to believe someone who says he has an alluring answer, an answer that cannot be logically disputed. The fundamental mechanics of religion are the same as a virus. It attacks those that are mentally weakened, and when they are young and suscepable to the concept of magic.
Understanding of the beautiful complexity of the world is opening up to individuals that grasp the complex concepts. The universe seems to be alive and intelligent to those that do not have a closed mind. Religious dogma's do not approach this level of understanding. We live in a remarkable time, where so much is being learned so quickly, we do not yet have time to take it all in, to synthesize this. The vast majority of human problems are caused by human thinking. The religous order hamper human exploration, becuase they believe that they have answers. The intelligent universe seems to be telling us to live sustainably and to grow mentally to become more like what we seek. This is counter to most religous organizations.
WE must recognize that ancient knowledge is incomplete and often incorrect. The world is dynamic and these variations must be taken to account to adapt our moral code to survive and grow. We cannot afford to revel in ignorance forever. The limits of ancient knowledge are met at Armaggedon.
Evil MEN praise God to gain power. Hitler was a friend of the Pope and a good catholic. He called on God often for help. Terrorism is viable in a religous context, because people believe in what will happen when they die. Religion has always been used to manipulate the masses, the dark ages can return and get even DARKER.
Faith eventually destroys good will between men, because faith give all men the idea that they have their private truth. But there is only one truth in the world. When there are differences between religions, they should be resolved. People working together to find THE truth, not advocating their private truth. Fighting over differences means that the understanding of truth is limited. Fighting will not find truth. Only an open mind can find truth. The most savage places on earth are the most religous. Puritanism kills. We are not becoming a kinder nation.
There is a Mathematical principle call Godels theorem. It says that all systems, no matter how perfect are incomplete. These create paradoxes (religious differences). Paradoxes, are not something to fight over. They are GATEWAYS to a greater system, to a more complete truth. I call this the Mathematics of Peace. There are many advances that we are not utilizing for the social good. We are rehashing ancient failures, each time they are becoming more deadly and heinous as we become more powerful. The religous system creates good and evil and conflict. Signicantly different paradigms are available to people willing to think. Good and evil, heaven and hell are primitive that are keeping us in a prison. We are reaching the time when there are too many people in the world to survive with this type of thinking. Free your mind. Do kind compassionate things without the need for a reward for heaven. Try to understand the how the universe works, and work in sync with it. It is understandable and useful for peace and growth.
You left out the fact that people, human complex organisms, often rationalize their actions and omit the real reasons why they do what they do.
Yes, often group think, or follow the leader BS will mislead us if we choose wrongly, but so do republicans, democrats, conspiracy lovers, groups of any kind and description and of any size and location in time and in history.
It is a human thing to do. We are all capable of doing it, and religion cannot be singled out for blame.
Religion also teaches that we do not make these kinds of mistakes in many different ways. This undermines your explanation as well.
Often Atheists or agnostics seem to jump to this conclusion in order to justify what they think.
Atheism is not necessarily opposite of Dogma, it is a Dogma in many ways comparatively.
But wrong is wrong, regardless of how you rationalize it.
I am afraid you missed this in your thought process and have only rationalized and justified your mistake.
You are not logical or correct in your opinion.
A ZOT isn't a death threat.
How melodramatic of you.
NOW they (good and evil) exist, becuase of who we are and what we think. Us fools and the non-fools all thinking together make up the idea of good and evil.
Professor Churchill, I would advise you reply from a secure terminal.
1 Corinthians Chapter 13
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not Love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not Love, it profiteth me nothing.
Love suffereth long, and is kind;
Love envieth not;
Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly,
Seeketh not her own,
Is not easily provoked,
Thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, Love, these three; but the greatest of these is Love.
1 Corinthians 13
So you're saying that evil is an illusion, that it doesn't exist?
Y'all have to see this one. As an added bonus, death threats are mentioned.
Wow, like, man, you, like have "got it." ;-)
This fellah reminds me of some Marxists who I have met. They would claim that I only oppose their ideology because I don't understand it. If I would study it then I could understand it. It blows their minds when I cite and dissect the 1844 manuscripts and conlcude that Marx was a moron. They remian convinced that I really didn't understand it because I haven't embraced it.
Yes, I saw his melodrama already.
Can we give him the "Drama Queen of the Month" award?
holy crap
I am not advocating atheism. I am not speaking against the idea of god. I am only saying that there are mathematical and scientific approaches to understanding GOD, without being so aboslute, like religious beliefs. I am saying these rational approaches to understanding GOD may be more beneficial to us in the present.
As a Christian, I think I can speak for other Christians here when I say we "get it." Those of us who have lived a few years recognize an attack on our faith disguised as knowledge and logic. Suppose I said that all of the people in Northern New Mexico suffer from a mental deficiency because they still vote Democratic? The logic is certainly there but it is flawed because not all Northern New Mexico people are Democrats.
Muleteam1
You're just the gift that keeps giving. I'm glad I don't have such a disordered mind as yours. Egotists are not well liked either.
I guess you have never had a gun to your head. You are more fortunate than me. I live in a world where when people tell me they are going to shoot me, it means something.
Thank you, I prefer a little balance in my debates. This one looks like there might actually be two sides to it.
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