[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Where can I find more information about it and other date-related bugs?

What to look for: http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/critdate.htm

How to fix it: http://www.exit109.com/~ghealton/y2k/yrexamples.html

http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/perl/perly2k.htm

http://pw2.netcom.com/~rogermw/Y2038.html

http://linuxfinances.info/info/unix2038.html

http://vancouver-webpages.com/time/Y2K38.html

http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/Date_Calc/

http://www.silurian.com/gawp/fomg7.htm

http://www.codeguru.com/Cpp/Cpp/cpp_mfc/article.php/c775/ http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Unix%20epoch

http://www.precisioninfo.com/index.php?doc_id=59

Mars Rover crashes, reports year as 2038 (see paragraph under heading "Condition Red") - http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20040831.html

http://archives.hwg.org/hwg-techniques/200001052338.AAA08753@ck-sg.p.lodz.pl

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Condition Red

The team was working on Mars time, in a building at JPL isolated from the California time of day by blackout shades on the windows. It was nighttime for the Spirit rover and nighttime for Spirit’s handlers.

"Sleeping and eating were optional," said Adler. "There were cots we could sleep on in our offices. This was our one objective, our primary objective in our lives, was to get our spacecraft back."

The next transmissions from Spirit were garbled. The rover was babbling, doing things like sending nonsensical communications that it date-stamped as being from the year 2038.

2038 The Year Kennedy Assasination breifs to be released ?

[dirtboy]

But, Y2038 is entirely different. In Y2K, computers still kept perfect time and internally had no problem with the roll-over to year 2000. But not so with Y2038! In Y2038, computers are going to forget how to tell time and for many will roll-back to the year 1970!

And by then 95 percent of technology in use will have been re-developed.

[Petronski]

I think thirty-three years will be plenty of time. LOL

[LibKill]

33 years is a long time in technology. Had you ever even seen a computer 33 years ago? Most folks had not.

In 33 years the tech will be so high you will need a ladder to get up there and see it. :)

[shezza]

"Whatchyou talkin' 'bout, PUNK?"

[Lazamataz]

But, Y2038 is entirely different. In Y2K, computers still kept perfect time and internally had no problem with the roll-over to year 2000. But not so with Y2038! In Y2038, computers are going to forget how to tell time and for many will roll-back to the year 1970!>

Start buying Spam now.

[dirtboy]

How do you fix it? Well, you'll have to buy new software for every program you own! And, most all of the computers and hardware will have to be replaced as well!

OHMYGOD! You mean I can't use the same computer and software the way I have for the last 40 years? I love my IBM 1620 - and you'll only remove my card reader from my cold, dead arms!

[ScottFromSpokane]

My conclusion as to why everyone is still developing with this limitation are that... blah, blah, blah.

Well, maybe. Or maybe it are because no one are going to be using the same hardware or software in 30 years that they is using now.

2038 The Year Kennedy Assasination breifs to be released ?

Ohhhhhhh...I see.

[CzarNicky]

If I am still using the same hardware in 2038 as I am now please someone kill me.

[dirtboy]

33 years ... hmmmm ... 23 years ago I was using WordStar on a multiuser CPM machine using 64K Z-80 processors - and with a whopping 10 meg hard drive that was the size of a breadbox. Televideo terminal and a daisy-wheel printer finished the package.

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

Having a little fun with us, atomic?

[Cold Heat]

Geez! We are doomed again!

Methinks I will have new equipment by 2038. Don't you?

[Darksheare]

*chuckle*
In all likelyhood, in 33 years I won't be around to see if it happens.

[HAL9000]

Can you start fixing it now?  The answer is NO.  Hardware and software vendors are still developing using this year 2038 limitation.

Mac computers with the G5 processor hardware use 64-bit values in the internal clock, and some parts of the Mac OS X operating system take advantage of that feature to prevent the epoch rollover problem.

But most applications still extract only the 32-bit time value, so there is more work to be done.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Let me explain what brought this on ....this quote from the movie JFK :

Let's ask the two men who have profited the most from the assassination -- your former President, Lyndon Baines Johnson and your new President, Richard Nixon -- to release 51 CIA documents pertaining to Lee Oswald and Jack Ruby, or the secret CIA memo on Oswald's activities in Russia that was "destroyed" while being photocopied. All these documents are yours -- the people's property -- you pay for it, but because the government considers you children who might be too disturbed to face this reality, because you might lynch those involved, you cannot see these documents for another 75 years. I'm in my 40s, so I'll have shuffled off this mortal coil by then, but I'm already telling my 8-year-old son to keep himself physically fit so that one glorious September morning in 2038 he can walk into the National Archives and find out what the CIA and the FBI knew. They may even push it back then. It may become a generational affair, with questions passed down from father to son, mother to daughter, in the manner of the ancient runic bards. Someday somewhere, someone might find out the damned Truth. Or we might just build ourselves a new Government like the Declaration of Independence says we should do when the old one ain't working -- maybe a little farther out West.

I was curious about the date being used so i did a google on the year 2038 Just that phrase and this is what popped up in the first page of the search i thought to myself that this was a funny coincidence i don't know why i just did my mind kind of works that way i will say one thing it's harder to find information on the papers than you would think its almost as if it were guarded as something you want the public to forget about

Now i know it was just a movie but the more i dug the more strange it got so i figured i would throw it out here to see what the great minds of FR thought but i guess its not to be taken seriously enough to be a good subject

I hit the website from NASA and that threw me over the top on the year 2038 i mean its a NASA website who we supposed to beleive we cant distrust everyone can we ? or should we ?

[Professional Engineer]

Somewhere I have a cartoon from Jan 2000. It shows a newscaster on TV screaming, "ONLY 999 YEARS TO Y3K!!". The guy watching the TV had pulled out a revolver, and was about to take care of the TV set.

[JoJo Gunn]

Been there, done that....

[freedumb2003]

I was always worried about the Y10K problem when the 4-digit year would no longer suffice.

I feel like we were being short sighted.

[supercat]

Couldn't the problem be pushed off for another 68 years by switching to a 32-bit SIGNED quantity, except in systems where negative values have some particular meaning?

What's bizarre is that the Macintosh, unlike Unix, uses unsigned 32-bit quantities for dates, but bases its date calculations on January 1, 1904. Can anyone suggest why they might have chosen that as an epoch date?

[demlosers]

I'm sure by 2038, Unix, Linux gurus will have rewrote the code.

[SandRat]

By that time I'll be 89 if I'm still around and doubt that I'll be pounding a keyboard. Working in the software world there are so many solutions to this it just needs to be a common solution and the hardware is a non-issue. The useful life span of the computer we see every day at work is about 4 years so let's see that means that the business and home systems would have been replaced about 8 times.

This is just fear mongering by some techno-geek looking to cash in like some of his buddies he having missed out on the Y2K Kash Kow!