Posted on 01/19/2005 9:51:40 AM PST by Mo1
I am going to go take a nap before this thread gets as poisoned as the rest of FR is with this mess. It has reached religious cult status. Nothing could change the mind of anyone on either side.
Yes it was amended in the Senate
The house version said shall .. whereas the senate version said may
agreed
Some e-mail fun:
Why did the chicken cross the road?
DR.PHIL:
The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on "THIS" side of the road before it goes after the problem on the "OTHER SIDE" of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his "CURRENT" problems before adding "NEW" problems.
OPRAH: Well I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life. I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.
GEORGE W. BUSH:
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
COLIN POWELL:
Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.
JOHN KERRY:
Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am for it now, and will remain against it.
PAT BUCHANAN:
To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
MARTIN LUTHER KING,JR:
I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question.
GRANDPA:
In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
BARBARA WALTERS:
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heartwarming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its life long dream of crossing the road.
BILL GATES:
I have just released eChicken2005, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. Internet explorer is an integral part of eChicken. The platform is much more stable and will never cra...#&&^( C \ reboot.
BILL CLINTON:
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is your definition of chicken?
AL GORE:
I invented the chicken!
The trouble with Terri Schiavo case is that not all of the avenues of promoting recovery was employed!
As soon as she came out of the coma she should have started rehab and access to other elements that motivated.
She was denied those things.....of course over the years instead of moving forward she was forced to remain in a vegetated state by Michael Schiavo sanctions!
I fear he is the sublimenal spokesman for Hemlock Society and other simiular groups!
Like Michael Newdow is also being sponsored by those variosu groups who are anti-God!
It just the same old Hegelian Wizards at work!
Note - The Hemlock Society in the United States has been in existence for 17 years and has an estimated 25,000 members. It is the oldest organization of its kind on this continent and therefore deserves special attention in regard to just what its leaders have been advocating in regard to euthanasia - as it turns out, the words and actions of Hemlock leaders often indicate a more radical agenda than the public stance of the organization itself.)
http://www.normemma.com/arhemloc.htm
SO9
I think you should take a deep breath no one want to stop your wishes to prolong a life that to you seems useless...on the other hand there are those who believe that they must try to exhaust all avenues before checking out!
I also have concerns like you that this could be a slippery slop!
FREE WILL Must be preserved for all!
PS
I caught a glimps at Michael Schiavo on Nightline Thursday he really looked like an Madison Ave Ad... He looked refreshed and not stressed at all....Terri Parents who really loves Terri they in no way look like an Ad for the fashion world!
Is Dr Greer related to Judge Greer that Michael Schiavo higher to be the spoke person for his case?
She did receive theory .. that is till Michael won his malpractice case
For the last several years .. Terri hasn't even been allowed outside to breathe fresh air
NOT DEAD YET
People already have the right to refuse unwanted treatment, and suicide is not illegal. What we oppose is a public policy that singles out individuals for legalized killing based on their health status. This violates the Americans With Disabilities Act, and denies us the equal protection of the law. Some bioethicists have even started to argue that intellectually disabled people are not persons under the law. That hasn’t happened since slavery was legal.
Not Dead Yet was founded on April 27,1996, shortly after Jack Kevorkian was acquitted in the assisted suicides of two women with non-terminal disabilities. In a 1997 Supreme Court rally, the outcry of 500 people withdisabilities chanting "Not Dead Yet" was heard around the world. Since then, eleven other national disability rights groups have joined NDY in opposing legalized assisted suicide and euthanasia, chapters have taken action in over 30 states, and we helped put Jack Kevorkian behind bars in 1999.
http://www.notdeadyet.org/
Lovely.
I think he and Scott Peterson were separated at birth. They act alike and even look alike. I've equated the 2 of them since the outset.
cut from the same cloth...
YIKES is this the TWILIGHT ZONE?
I can't help myself when it comes to Florida politic and the Courts Ellian Gonzales, Rush Limbaugh etc and the Leftist Greeks I can't help but do a Google on "George Felos, Soros" and this is what I hit!
Subject:
THE REASON TERRI MUST DIE! GEORGE SOROS' 200 MILLION $ PROJECT ON DEATH!
From: "rhipmc" rhipmc@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:21:04 -0500
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-01-05/discussion.cgi.53.html
What is the motive behind the restaurateur turned physical therapist turned nurse who passionately pursues his wife's death? Many wonder. Could Michael Schiavo be a pawn, a pawn in a much larger game being played for much higher stakes?
Enter one George Felos, a kind of weird, yoga practicing guru lawyer who is fixated on helping people die. Felos, a board member of the Hospice, has U. S. Dollar visions, ideation that figures on book signings and movie rights once Terri is dead. Not to mention all the fame and fortune that will accrue to the man who finally overturns the law that protects the handicapped, the elderly, and the terminally ill's opportunity to live until they die - by natural means.
MUST READ LINKS to connect the dots...
Conflict of Interest Charged in Florida Euthanasia Case
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
September 17, 2003
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200309/CUL20030917c.html
After picking throw this site I needed to see if any familar names of our Democratic friends were in volved in this?
Most Common Questions and Answers
If Terri hasn't recovered after all these years of therapy, why not let go?
Terri hasn't had meaningful therapy since 1991, but many credible physicians say she can benefit from it.
Why can't Terri just divorce?
Terri's husband/guardian speaks for her. She cannot divorce without his permission
Does Terri have an advanced directive or any wishes about her healthcare?
Terri never signed any directive or living will and there is no evidence that she foresaw her present situation.
Why do Terri's family fight to keep her alive? Shouldn't they let her husband decide?
Terri's husband has started another family and probably has gone on with his life. Terri's family want to provide her therapy and a safe home.
Is Terri receiving life support?
Not in the traditional sense. Terri only receives food and fluids via a simple tube.
Isn't removing her tube a natural and dignified way to die?
No. Dehydration and starvation cause horrific effects and are anything but peaceful. Read more here.
Most common misconceptions about Terri's situation
MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:
(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.
Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.
MYTH: Terri does not need rehabilitation
FACT: Florida Statute 744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated:
(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.
This is a retained right that a guardian cannot take away. Additionally, it does not make exception for PVS patients. Terri has illegally been denied rehabilitation - as many nurses have sworn in affidavits.
MYTH: Removal of food was both legal and court-ordered.
FACT: The courts had only allowed removal of Terri's feeding tube, not regular food and water. Terri's husband illegally ordered this. The law only allows the removal of "life-prolonging procedures," not regular food and water:
Florida Statute 765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; suicide distinguished. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.
MYTH: Many doctors have said that there is no hope for her.
FACT: Dr. Victor Gambone testified that he visits Terri 3 times a year. His visits last for approximately 10 minutes. He also testified, after viewing the court videotapes at Terri’s recent trial, that he was surprised to see Terri’s level of awareness. This doctor is part of a team hand-picked by her husband, Michael Schiavo, shortly before he filed to have Terri’s feeding removed. Contrary to Schiavo’s team, 14 independent medical professionals (6 of them neurologists) have given either statements or testimony that Terri is NOT in a Persistent Vegetative State. Additionally, there has never been any medical dispute of Terri’s ability to swallow. Even with this compelling evidence, Terri’s husband, Michael Schiavo, has denied any form of therapy for her for over 10 years.
Dr. Melvin Greer, appointed by Schiavo, testified that a doctor need not examine a patient to know the appropriate medical treatment. He spent approximately 45 minutes with Terri. Dr. Peter Bambakidis, appointed by Judge Greer, spent approximately 30 minutes with Terri. Dr. Ronald Cranford, also appointed by Schiavo and who has publicly labeled himself “Dr. Death”, spent less than 45 minutes examining and interacting with Terri.
MYTH: This is just a family battle over money.
FACT: In 1992, Terri was awarded nearly one million dollars by a malpractice jury and an out-of-court malpractice settlement which was designated for future medical expenses. Of these funds, less than $50,000 remains today.
The financial records revealing how Terri’s medical fund money is managed are SEALED from inspection. Court records, however, show that Judge Greer has approved the spending down of Terri’s medical fund on Schiavo’s attorney’s fees - though it was expressly awarded to Terri for her medical care. Schiavo’s primary attorney, George Felos, has received upwards of $400,000 dollars since Schiavo hired him. This same attorney, at the expense of Terri’s medical fund, publicly likened Terri to a “houseplant” and has used Terri’s case on national television to promote his newly published book.
Google seach
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-47,RNWE:en&q=George+Felos%2E++Soros
Seems the minions of Satan like to perform their evil deeds at the holiest time of year, too.
It's always Satan Season...
Got your hunting license?
This is the catscan of Terri's brain.
The black parts are liquified.
All that section of the brain is permanently gone.
I don't want to listen to any more about her "just needing therapy".
She's a veggie moved by her autonomic nervous system.
So9
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