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Mac OS X security myth exposed
Techworld ^ | 24 June 2004 | Matthew Broersma, Techworld

Posted on 01/16/2005 12:04:57 PM PST by Bush2000


24 June 2004
Mac OS X security myth exposed
And thousands of other products and OSes given security rundown.

By Matthew Broersma, Techworld

Windows is more secure than you think, and Mac OS X is worse than you ever imagined. That is according to statistics published for the first time this week by Danish security firm Secunia.

The stats, based on a database of security advisories for more than 3,500 products during 2003 and 2004 sheds light on the real security of enterprise applications and operating systems, according to the firm. Each product is broken down into pie charts demonstrating how many, what type and how significant security holes have been in each.

One thing the hard figures have shown is that OS X's reputation as a relatively secure operating system is unwarranted, Secunia said. This year and last year Secunia tallied 36 advisories on security issues with the software, many of them allowing attackers to remotely take over the system - comparable to figures on operating systems such as Windows XP Professional and Red Hat Enterprise Server.

"Secunia is now displaying security statistics that will open many eyes, and for some it might be very disturbing news," said Secunia chief executive Niels Henrik Rasmussen. "The myth that Mac OS X is secure, for example, has been exposed."

Its new service, easily acessible on its website, allows enterprises to gather exact information on specific products, by collating advisories from a large number of third-party security firms. A few other organisations maintain comparable lists, including the Open Source Vulnerability Database (OSVDB) and the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) database, which provides common names for publicly known vulnerabilities.

Secunia said the new service could help companies keep an eye on the overall security of particular software - something that is often lost in the flood of advisories and the attendant hype. "Seen over a long period of time,the statistics may indicate whether a vendor has improved the quality of their products," said Secunia CTO Thomas Kristensen. He said the data could help IT managers get an idea of what kind of vulnerabilities are being found in their products, and prioritise what they respond to.

For example, Windows security holes generally receive a lot of press because of the software's popularity, but the statistics show that Windows isn't the subject of significantly more advisories than other operating systems. Windows XP Professional saw 46 advisories in 2003-2004, with 48 percent of vulnerabilities allowing remote attacks and 46 percent enabling system access, Secunia said.

Suse Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8 had 48 advisories in the same period, with 58 percent of the holes exploitable remotely and 37 percent enabling system access. Red Hat's Advanced Server 3 had 50 advisories in the same period - despite the fact that counting only began in November of last year. Sixty-six percent of the vulnerabilities were remotely exploitable, with 25 granting system access.

Mac OS X doesn't stand out as particularly more secure than the competition, according to Secunia. Of the 36 advisories issued in 2003-2004, 61 percent could be exploited across the Internet and 32 percent enabled attackers to take over the system. The proportion of critical bugs was also comparable with other software: 33 percent of the OS X vulnerabilities were "highly" or "extremely" critical by Secunia's reckoning, compared with 30 percent for XP Professional and 27 percent for SLES 8 and just 12 percent for Advanced Server 3. OS X had the highest proportion of "extremely critical" bugs at 19 percent.

As for the old guard, Sun's Solaris 9 saw its share of problems, with 60 advisories in 2003-2004, 20 percent of which were "highly" or "extremely" critical, Secunia said.

Comparing product security is notoriously difficult, and has become a contentious issue recently with vendors using security as a selling point. A recent Forrester study comparing Windows and Linux vendor response times on security flaws was heavily criticised for its conclusion that Linux vendors took longer to release patches. Linux vendors attach more weight to more critical flaws, leaving unimportant bugs for later patching, something the study failed to factor in, according to Linux companies. Vendors also took issue with the study's method of ranking "critical" security bugs, which didn't agree with the vendors' own criteria.

Secunia agreed that straightforward comparisons aren't possible, partly because some products receive more scrutiny than others. Microsoft products are researched more because of their wide use, while open-source products are easier to analyse because researchers have general access to the source code, Kristensen said.

"A third factor is that Linux / Unix people are very concerned about privilege escalation vulnerabilities, while Windows people in general are not, especially because of the shatter-like attacks which have been known for six years or more," he said. "A product is not necessarily more secure because fewer vulnerabilities are discovered."


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To: ken21

you're an agent of Satan?


121 posted on 01/17/2005 1:09:39 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: zeugma; HAL9000
How about instead of whining about Hal9k's assertion, you provide two documented cases of affected MAC users?

Because I don't bear that burden. You certainly don't show me individual users who are supposedly affected by any of the IE exploits. But HAL has said unequivocally that these exploits haven't affected anybody: I'd say that bears a higher burden of proof. So either put up or shut up.
122 posted on 01/17/2005 1:12:17 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Swordmaker
Let's see. WHO posted this out-of-date and self-serving article attacking other people's OS??? Hmmmmmm... the name of the poster seems to be Bush2000. Does that make YOU someone an average person would believe is "full of shite"? I leave that determination to the average reader of this thread.

People can draw their own conclusions. I'm just providing them a balanced perspectives, which really pisses you Mac zealots off because it interferes with your reality distortion field. So what. Deal with it.

I have seen NO ONE CLAIM that OSX is "bug-free".

And yet you relentlessly bash Windows for security exploits and downplay the severity of bugs in OSX. If you and HAL were the sole arbiters of information about Windows, the average user here on FR would get the impression that Macs are bug-free.

Now, exactly WHERE ARE THE EXPLOITS???

Read this article -- then go to Secunia. The Mac exploits are very real and, as the article states, OS X had the highest percentage of critical vulnerabilities. Try spinning that away, fan boy.
123 posted on 01/17/2005 1:18:06 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yet you use "they patched that" as a defense when Microsoft has its weekly exploit.

Clue phone for you: IE isn't the Windows kernel. Stop calling "app bugs" as "OS bugs".
124 posted on 01/17/2005 1:19:31 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Question_Assumptions
I suspect that for most Mac users, they are the same thing.

Well, since you don't speak for "most Mac users", I'll file your comments under "anecdotal BS".

Why? Because (A) my mother-in-law, who is by no means computer savvy, told me that she's just been patching the iMac I left with her whenever it asks her to, which is within a week of any patch becoming available

Windows Auto Update, anybody?

...and (B) Mac users don't fear Apple's patches the way Windows users fear Microsoft's patches. They just clock "OK" and install it without worry. I applied the recommended Windows 2000 patches to my work desktop and the IT guy not only looked at me like I was insane but suggested that I don't do that in the future and don't use any patch until it's been well tested by other first adopters.

The IT guy didn't want you to install the patch because he's not sure of the impact on your company's applications -- and they like to move all of the company's platforms at once, not dribble them in or have people applying their own patches. Apple doesn't have that burden because companies simply don't use Macs.
125 posted on 01/17/2005 1:23:46 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Clue phone for you: IE isn't the Windows kernel. Stop calling "app bugs" as "OS bugs".

Last I remember, Microsoft was stating under oath that IE functionality is an integral part of the Windows operating system.

126 posted on 01/17/2005 1:27:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: CheneyChick

*lol*


127 posted on 01/17/2005 1:30:37 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bush2000
Read this article -- then go to Secunia.

No thanks. You'll just have to keep Sucenia yourself.

128 posted on 01/17/2005 1:37:11 PM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: Bush2000
Well, since you don't speak for "most Mac users", I'll file your comments under "anecdotal BS".

Oh, and you do? So it's OK for you to support your opinions on unproven assertions but not anyone else, right? How do you know that most Macs aren't patched? Your assumption is one step below "anecdotal BS". It's called, "I'm going to assume reality supports my position without any evidence."

Windows Auto Update, anybody?

Yes. I tried using that at work and had the IT person tell me not to. And, no, he wasn't concerned about our standardized platform (we're too small to have one) nor was he concerned about the impact on my company's applications (we don't have any custom applications). He was worried that it would screw up the standard Microsoft suite of applications. Next?

The IT guy didn't want you to install the patch because he's not sure of the impact on your company's applications -- and they like to move all of the company's platforms at once, not dribble them in or have people applying their own patches. Apple doesn't have that burden because companies simply don't use Macs.

Apple doesn't have that burden because Apple doesn't have that problem. Like I said, Windows trains its users well to assume that if Windows has a certain problem, everyone else must, too.

129 posted on 01/17/2005 1:37:15 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: CheneyChick
You had to search long and hard for this piece of crap article.... It made me laugh.

CC, this article is hardly a "piece of crap". It's merely stating conclusions by Secunia -- and, if you consider Secunia to be a "piece of crap", you need an attitude adjustment. Secunia is one of the most highly regarded security organizations in the industry.
130 posted on 01/17/2005 1:39:31 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Your excuses are truely pathetic. I'm still getting hit hourly by windows boxes that have been compromized by various worms. It has been demonstrated many times that an unpatched windows box will last less than half an hour on the net intact because of all the zombies out there continually trying to infect their neighbors.

I've yet to see a single example of a MAC worm that affects OS X in the wild.

I can understand why you wouldn't want to respond to this though given the abysmal results windows has shown in protecting their users thus far.

I don't even use OSX, but I recognise that they've done a really good job of protecting their users from malicious folks on the internet.

131 posted on 01/17/2005 1:40:41 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Oh, and you do?

No, and I never claimed to. What I said is that providing a patch doesn't equate to that patch being applied on all affected boxes.

How do you know that most Macs aren't patched?

Where did I say that?

Apple doesn't have that burden because Apple doesn't have that problem.

Right, companies don't use Macs. Hence... figure it out. Apple would looooooooove to have the problem of companies applying patches -- because that would mean that companies actually using Macs. But that's just a Mac bigot's pipe dream.
132 posted on 01/17/2005 1:42:45 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
Last I remember, Microsoft was stating under oath that IE functionality is an integral part of the Windows operating system.

The sword cuts both ways: the court disagreed. Nice try.
133 posted on 01/17/2005 1:43:54 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: zeugma
Your excuses are truely pathetic. I'm still getting hit hourly by windows boxes that have been compromized by various worms. It has been demonstrated many times that an unpatched windows box will last less than half an hour on the net intact because of all the zombies out there continually trying to infect their neighbors.

So what. That's meaningless. Unpatched Mac boxes are just as readily exploited. I've yet to see a single example of a MAC worm that affects OS X in the wild.

There are practically no Macs in the wild.
134 posted on 01/17/2005 1:45:31 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
The sword cuts both ways: the court disagreed. Nice try.

A special master was able to remove IE from Windows 95 and 98, but Microsoft learned from that. IE in XP is inseparable from the operating system without cutting non-browsing functionality, which is why they are following the rules of the settlement by only allowing removal of the links to IE. Go to remove Windows components, click to remove IE, and you'll see that you don't save any disk space.

135 posted on 01/17/2005 3:11:39 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
There are practically no Macs in the wild.

14 million may be a small percentage of the 700 million or so Windows boxes out there, but it's still 14 million, a lot of boxes to be compromised. 150,000 people dying in the tsunami was only about .0025% of the world's population, so it's no big deal, right?

136 posted on 01/17/2005 3:15:37 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bush2000
Unpatched Mac boxes are just as readily exploited.

Not quite. Many exploits required the user to have root enabled and be running in root, and that is rarely the case in OS X.

137 posted on 01/17/2005 3:18:08 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Microsoft learned from that. IE in XP is inseparable from the operating system without cutting non-browsing functionality, which is why they are following the rules of the settlement by only allowing removal of the links to IE.

Ridiculous tripe. Go to http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html
138 posted on 01/17/2005 4:28:57 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: antiRepublicrat
14 million may be a small percentage of the 700 million or so Windows boxes out there, but it's still 14 million, a lot of boxes to be compromised. 150,000 people dying in the tsunami was only about .0025% of the world's population, so it's no big deal, right?

They're not all the same version, too. When you figure in all of the crappy old Macs that comprise that number, it's much smaller.
139 posted on 01/17/2005 4:30:36 PM PST by Bush2000
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