Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi
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Good post ET. Why does everyone who believes in a rapture think it's the wicked who will be left on earth?
Hey that's pretty funny coming from you!
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On General/Chat 01/19/2005 10:56:01 AM EST · 818 of 1,121
No. They have alot right, salvation, but they have enough wrong too that I do not want to be considered part of them.
We stopped going to church and are more or less a home church.
BigMack
Pot -------> Kettle --------> Black!
What is the contradiction ?
The Tenach says that the righteous inherit the earth. So, why would your NT have the righteous being taken up into the air supposedly to meet with Jesus?
What's up there?
Who is the Prince of Peace?
The Christ (i.e. the Messiah).
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Looks like christians took it out of context. It mentions David and his kingdom.
Isaiah 9
(5) For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;
(6) That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of YHWH of hosts doth perform this.
If you are going to use those verses as being messianic then I guess David was The Messiah, huh?
1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
The antichrist and other antichrists were already around when John wrote his epistle.
1 John 4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Notice that 1 John 4:2 does NOT say 'that Jesus Christ is G-d, come in the flesh'.
There are many antichrists but I suppose the antichrist of John's time could 'return'.
Can you site the verse from the Tenach that specifically mentions The Messiah coming, being killed, resurrected, and needing to return again to finish what he started?
Morning bookmark
The Tanach says that the righteous inherit the earth. So, why would your NT have the righteous being taken up into the air supposedly to meet with Jesus? What's up there?
Well ... they don't stay "in the air".
They return to the earth ... with Jesus ... and are a part of His kingdom here on earth.
I'm sure that you have gone to the airport to meet incoming loved ones before, haven't you ?
You (and you loved ones) didn't stay at the airport ... did you ?
Who is the Prince of Peace?
The Christ (i.e. the Messiah).Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Looks like christians took it out of context. It mentions David and his kingdom.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
You do know that the throne of David has been passed down to his descendents, don't you ? To Solomon, ... then Rehoboam ... etc.
God said that David's throne would last forever. Obviously, that doesn't mean that David would sit on the throne forever.1 Kings 2:45 And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.
Isaiah 9:5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;
6 That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of YHWH of hosts doth perform this.
If you are going to use those verses as being messianic then I guess David was The Messiah, huh?
The Messiah will, ultimately, sit upon the throne of David (in Jerusalem).
Recall that David did much for Israel and in God's service years before he ever sat upon the throne.
Joshua 5 today. We have waited so long for this birthday:') Did I tell you about his dream of everyone going to Heaven?
Even with the restoration taking place in a Messianic context, I don't see those verses as being prophesy about Jesus of the NT as you claimed they were. Isaiah 34: 1 - 17 and Isaiah 35: 1 - 10 are about the destruction and restoration of nations. You quoted these few verses out of that whole story as being prophesy regarding Jesus: ...
I believe that we can agree that the Messianic ministry is not complete ... however one chooses to look at the matter.
The difference is that Christians believe that the Messianic ministry has started (via Jesus) ... while the Jews do not.
I further believe that the works that Jesus did are evidence that the Messianic ministry is incomplete ... and will be culminated in future days.
Even as one might cite these works of Jesus (giving the blind their sight, enabling the lame to walk, causing the deaf to hear and the dumb to speak, etc.) ... it is also quite obvious that there were yet many blind, deaf, dumb, lame, etc. in Israel who were not healed of their physical condition. The completion (or fulfillment) of even such a healing ministry is, obviously, yet to come.
I believe that Jesus did these works to identify Himself with the Messianic ministry (as presented in Isaiah 35). The wonder is that He was able to perform these works in the timeframe in which He ministered. Noone further has stepped forward to identify themselves with the Messianic ministry in this way.
Even so ... the fulfillment of the Messianic ministry (these works ... and others) is yet to come.
Give me your poor husband's name so I can pray for him.
BigMack
All that is to be accomplished ... will be accomplished ... in God's time.
Can you site the verse from the Tenach that specifically mentions The Messiah coming, being killed, resurrected, and needing to return again to finish what he started?Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Joshua 5 today.
Congratulations and tell Joshua happy birthday for us (your friends). ;o)
We have waited so long for this birthday:')
Why was this birthday so anticipated ?
Did I tell you about his dream of everyone going to Heaven?
I don't believe that I remember you sharing this with us ... please do ...
It is my understanding that the age ushered in by mashiach will be one of permanent peace. However, there are many differing interpretations regarding the end times.
Some of the prophets performed miracles, and some didn't. Whether or not mashiach performs miracles is a side issue. Performing, or not performing, miracles doesn't identify who is mashiach; the fulfilment of the messianic prophecies does.
I think ET was talking about the appearance of false messiah(s) prior to the second coming.
Happy birthday Joshua! :o)
After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, the LORD said to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister,
"Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, into the land which I am giving to them, to the people of Israel.
Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, as I promised to Moses.
From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphra'tes, all the land of the Hittites to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun shall be your territory.
No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life; as I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will not fail you or forsake you.
Be strong and of good courage; for you shall cause this people to inherit the land which I swore to their fathers to give them.
Only be strong and very courageous, being careful to do according to all the law which Moses my servant commanded you; turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may have good success wherever you go.
This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you shall make your way prosperous, and then you shall have good success.
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and of good courage; be not frightened, neither be dismayed; for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go." (Joshua 5:1-9)
Edom was south/southeast of the Dead Sea, encompassing parts of what is now the Negev region of Israel, southern Jordan, and the extreme northeast part of Saudi Arabia. It is uncertain how much connection there was between the Edomites and the later Nabatean Arab kingdom. But King Herod, an Edomite, is considered to have been Arab on his mother's side. The possible connection between Edom and the Arabs is interesting considering that the Edomites were descendants of Esau.
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