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INDUSTRY ANALYSIS: But Macs Are Slower, Right?
Linux News: Developer ^ | 9/30/04 | By Paul Murphy

Posted on 01/07/2005 11:08:27 AM PST by Swordmaker

About a month ago, I compared the cost for Apple's (Nasdaq: AAPL) desktop, server and laptop products to their nearest Dell (Nasdaq: DELL) equivalents (see Macs Are More Expensive, Right?) and discovered that Macs generally cost less than comparable PC products.

That was a bit of surprise, but the truly astonishing thing that came out of the comparison was that Dell's product line extends marginally below Apple's at the low end, but has nothing to stack up against Apple's 17-inch Powerbook, X-Serve/X-RAID combination, or Cinema displays at the high end.

Bottom line: when you upgrade the PCs enough to allow an approximately apples to apples comparison, Apple turns out to offer both lower prices and a broader range than Dell.

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So are PCs faster than Macs? The real answer is that relative performance depends entirely on the software and is both hard to define and hard to measure.

Macintosh Hardware Fastest

The short answer, however, can be based entirely on raw hardware capabilities, and that answer is pretty simple: the Mac wins hands down.

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Thus, the basic short answer is pretty clear: level the software playing field, and the X-Serve blows everything else away, while even last year's desktop G5s, at 3.7 Gigaflops per CPU, handily beat this year's Dell servers at only 3.1.

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On the other hand I think the intuitive bottom line on the Macintosh versus PC productivity debate is actually pretty simple: I've never met a PC user whose focus on the job he or she was supposed to be doing wasn't significantly diluted by the need to accommodate the PC and its software, but I've never met a business Mac user who considered the machine anything other than a tool, like a telephone or typewriter, for getting the job done.

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The author is a LINUX enthusiast and does not have a horse in this race...


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KEYWORDS: apple; computerwars; mac; macintosh; macuser; oswars
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" The Mac GUI is conceptualized as a kind of extended control panel to the computer as toaster -- a means for users to tell the computer what they want done. The latest PC GUI, in contrast, is still fundamentally a piece of middleware linking users to applications, each of which establishes its own means of communicating with the user.

You would think there would be an objective way of measuring the user outcomes of these two directions in interface design, but so far there doesn't seem to be one. Instead, the issue often seems to come down to an emotional argument about the relative "coolness" of the two interfaces, with the decision heavily weighted by the presumption that what we already know must be better than what we don't.

"That's unresolveable in any general sense, but if you're a Windows user prepared to defend XP as better than Mac OS X , I have a challenge for you. Think about Win-D (or is it M?), and all the rest of it while reading this Apple puff piece about the "Exposé" feature in Mac OS X.

"If you're at all fair about this, I think you'll agree that the ability to deliver gimmicks like this supports the view that Microsoft's Windows GUI remains at least a full generation behind Apple's."

1 posted on 01/07/2005 11:08:28 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Bush2000; antiRepublicrat; LasVegasMac; Action-America; eno_; N3WBI3; zeugma; TechJunkYard; ...

"But Macs Are Slower, Right?" PING!!!!


If you want to be included or excluded on the Mac Ping list, please Freepmail me.


2 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:01 AM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Swordmaker

Macophile alert!

I dislike Windows, but dislike Macintosh even more. Why? Hmmm...well, less software, harder to upgrade or build (I'm a build-your-own computer user), more difficult to troubleshoot...


3 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:33 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: Swordmaker

my parents have MACs, I work in the Windows world.

I would rather have a MAC....especially if I have some graphics work to do.

If they ever figure out how to get the gaming portion of the market to work in their favor, Windows will have a hard time to keep up....

but, being a government contractor, Windows is capable for what we do.


4 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:48 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Out of Baghdad!!!! But still boycotting boycotts)
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To: Swordmaker
I like how he uses an X-Serve cluster - the MACH 5 - that hasn't actually been benchmarked yet to "prove" that the G5 is faster than Opteron. MACH 5 was done in time to make the November Top500 list, but it's not on there. No problem - just refer to the manufacturer's press release for your "evidence".

Apparently the famous reality-distortion field extends a good deal farther than anyone thought.

5 posted on 01/07/2005 11:21:31 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: general_re

Funny, I built a Dual Opteron 64/248 box with 2GB memory, and it eats G5's for lunch. Any day, Every day. It also is running Fedora Core 3, with the 2.6.9-1.latest SMP kernel. It costs anout 1/4 of the equivelent Mac box.


6 posted on 01/07/2005 11:28:03 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Swordmaker

I may be wrong, but I've been a Mac user since 1985 and I have never felt there was a lack of "programs" for my Mac. Word processing, spreadsheets, internet search engines.....I can find not just on version of a Mac compatable program but sometimes many. I absolutely love my new 20" G5 imac. I own a windows unit (not an A/C that mounts in a window)that I use at work and it's okay...no problems so far. But my mac is....well...easier and more fun to work with. I say to each his own...if you like PCs then fine. But Macs are my favorite.


7 posted on 01/07/2005 11:44:15 AM PST by woofer2425 (Kerry LIED)
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To: Swordmaker
You would think there would be an objective way of measuring the user outcomes of these two directions in interface design, but so far there doesn't seem to be one.

There are quite a few solid rules of UI design based on how people percieve and do things. Scientists involved in HCI (Human Computer Interface) research do specific scientific studies on the effects of various aspects of UI with hard numbers in the end on what's better in what situation.

AFAIK, nobody's published a study like this for OS X vs. Windows. However, I do know that OS X uses a lot more of HCI's rules to its advantage when compared to Windows and violates fewer of them.

8 posted on 01/07/2005 11:47:52 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: xcamel
It costs anout 1/4 of the equivelent Mac box.

I take it you're not talking about a rack-mount system you built. A dual Opteron 248 1U costs about the same or more than an XServe, depending on options and brand. It would still be faster though.

9 posted on 01/07/2005 11:55:40 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

Rush was running windoze down on his show today. Persnally any new high end machine is faster and posessed of greater functionality than I can ever use except some fo the stuff I occaisonally do in Photoshop.

However the virus/spyware question drives me into the Mac camp.


10 posted on 01/07/2005 12:17:15 PM PST by mercy (20 years a Gates sucker was enough)
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To: Swordmaker
A woman called into Rush's show today and wanted to know why there were no pop-up on his 24/7 site like she gets at the Drudge site. He talked about his Mac experience and that she should get one. He went on for several minutes about the benefits of Apple and then he slammed the Socialist that run the company.

He told he to at least to get FireFox or Mozilla and software to protect her PeeCee...

11 posted on 01/07/2005 1:04:43 PM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Ok, full disclosure: Opteron 248 (2x) 2.2Ghz

New K8T Master2 MB

New 2GB SDRAM

Existing miniserve case

Existing nvidia 5600 series vc

Existing SCSI 320 x 80GB non raid storage

New DVD +- RW burner

Existing VP201MP Monitor.

I also run several 3GHz range dual Xeon boxes as testbeds & servers.

Test your true crunch power with BOINC & seti@home or Climate prediction.

seti@home

Climate Prediction

12 posted on 01/07/2005 1:09:53 PM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Swordmaker
Mac's are a niche market machine... visual arts, production, etc...

But recently my father in law has become so frustrated with his Windoz machine (popups, spyware junk, system issues, you name it) that he's going to convert to a Mac...

If you want to work on your machine, get Windoz, but if you want to create or work on your WORK, get a Mac!
13 posted on 01/07/2005 1:14:36 PM PST by Barney59 ("This reelection is as secure as a double-knot tied in wet rawhide.")
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To: Barney59
This article is interesting Windows users spend 3.5 days a year dealing with problems?
14 posted on 01/07/2005 1:29:05 PM PST by Vermonter
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To: Barney59
Mac's are a niche market machine... visual arts, production, etc...

I thought so ofr many years. But now, I think that the relvance of Windows application software has declined, and that the ascendency of desktop Linux and FOSS apps has broken the Microsoft monoculture.

These days I would advise people to buy whatever they like the best.

15 posted on 01/07/2005 2:02:22 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Temple Owl

ping


16 posted on 01/07/2005 2:35:12 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: RockinRight
I'm a build-your-own computer user

I used to be one of those. If you like spending time playing with the computer, the pc is the only way to go.
If you mostly have things that you want to use a computer to accomplish, the Mac is a better option.

I currently have both a pc and a Mac, and I'm spending far less time on the pc. My pc needs upgrading, and I might not bother. I'd rather spend the time on the net or editing pictures than playing with upgrades, drivers, and virus protection.

My ideal machine would be like the Mac to use, but have the upgrade potential of a pc.

17 posted on 01/07/2005 3:35:10 PM PST by speekinout
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To: speekinout; All
I'm a build-your-own computer user
I used to be one of those. If you like spending time playing with the computer, the pc is the only way to go.
If you mostly have things that you want to use a computer to accomplish, the Mac is a better option.

Your post has inspired me for a tagline change.
18 posted on 01/07/2005 3:45:50 PM PST by olde north church (I think, therefore iMac.)
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To: olde north church

Love your tagline!:-)


19 posted on 01/07/2005 5:05:59 PM PST by speekinout
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To: olde north church

Sheesh! Don't let Jobs see your tagline, he'll sue your @ss


20 posted on 01/07/2005 5:08:04 PM PST by Vermonter
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