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" The Mac GUI is conceptualized as a kind of extended control panel to the computer as toaster -- a means for users to tell the computer what they want done. The latest PC GUI, in contrast, is still fundamentally a piece of middleware linking users to applications, each of which establishes its own means of communicating with the user.

You would think there would be an objective way of measuring the user outcomes of these two directions in interface design, but so far there doesn't seem to be one. Instead, the issue often seems to come down to an emotional argument about the relative "coolness" of the two interfaces, with the decision heavily weighted by the presumption that what we already know must be better than what we don't.

"That's unresolveable in any general sense, but if you're a Windows user prepared to defend XP as better than Mac OS X , I have a challenge for you. Think about Win-D (or is it M?), and all the rest of it while reading this Apple puff piece about the "Exposé" feature in Mac OS X.

"If you're at all fair about this, I think you'll agree that the ability to deliver gimmicks like this supports the view that Microsoft's Windows GUI remains at least a full generation behind Apple's."

1 posted on 01/07/2005 11:08:28 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Bush2000; antiRepublicrat; LasVegasMac; Action-America; eno_; N3WBI3; zeugma; TechJunkYard; ...

"But Macs Are Slower, Right?" PING!!!!


If you want to be included or excluded on the Mac Ping list, please Freepmail me.


2 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:01 AM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Swordmaker

Macophile alert!

I dislike Windows, but dislike Macintosh even more. Why? Hmmm...well, less software, harder to upgrade or build (I'm a build-your-own computer user), more difficult to troubleshoot...


3 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:33 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: Swordmaker

my parents have MACs, I work in the Windows world.

I would rather have a MAC....especially if I have some graphics work to do.

If they ever figure out how to get the gaming portion of the market to work in their favor, Windows will have a hard time to keep up....

but, being a government contractor, Windows is capable for what we do.


4 posted on 01/07/2005 11:10:48 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Out of Baghdad!!!! But still boycotting boycotts)
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To: Swordmaker
I like how he uses an X-Serve cluster - the MACH 5 - that hasn't actually been benchmarked yet to "prove" that the G5 is faster than Opteron. MACH 5 was done in time to make the November Top500 list, but it's not on there. No problem - just refer to the manufacturer's press release for your "evidence".

Apparently the famous reality-distortion field extends a good deal farther than anyone thought.

5 posted on 01/07/2005 11:21:31 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: Swordmaker

I may be wrong, but I've been a Mac user since 1985 and I have never felt there was a lack of "programs" for my Mac. Word processing, spreadsheets, internet search engines.....I can find not just on version of a Mac compatable program but sometimes many. I absolutely love my new 20" G5 imac. I own a windows unit (not an A/C that mounts in a window)that I use at work and it's okay...no problems so far. But my mac is....well...easier and more fun to work with. I say to each his own...if you like PCs then fine. But Macs are my favorite.


7 posted on 01/07/2005 11:44:15 AM PST by woofer2425 (Kerry LIED)
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To: Swordmaker
You would think there would be an objective way of measuring the user outcomes of these two directions in interface design, but so far there doesn't seem to be one.

There are quite a few solid rules of UI design based on how people percieve and do things. Scientists involved in HCI (Human Computer Interface) research do specific scientific studies on the effects of various aspects of UI with hard numbers in the end on what's better in what situation.

AFAIK, nobody's published a study like this for OS X vs. Windows. However, I do know that OS X uses a lot more of HCI's rules to its advantage when compared to Windows and violates fewer of them.

8 posted on 01/07/2005 11:47:52 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

Rush was running windoze down on his show today. Persnally any new high end machine is faster and posessed of greater functionality than I can ever use except some fo the stuff I occaisonally do in Photoshop.

However the virus/spyware question drives me into the Mac camp.


10 posted on 01/07/2005 12:17:15 PM PST by mercy (20 years a Gates sucker was enough)
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To: Swordmaker
A woman called into Rush's show today and wanted to know why there were no pop-up on his 24/7 site like she gets at the Drudge site. He talked about his Mac experience and that she should get one. He went on for several minutes about the benefits of Apple and then he slammed the Socialist that run the company.

He told he to at least to get FireFox or Mozilla and software to protect her PeeCee...

11 posted on 01/07/2005 1:04:43 PM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: Swordmaker
Mac's are a niche market machine... visual arts, production, etc...

But recently my father in law has become so frustrated with his Windoz machine (popups, spyware junk, system issues, you name it) that he's going to convert to a Mac...

If you want to work on your machine, get Windoz, but if you want to create or work on your WORK, get a Mac!
13 posted on 01/07/2005 1:14:36 PM PST by Barney59 ("This reelection is as secure as a double-knot tied in wet rawhide.")
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To: Temple Owl

ping


16 posted on 01/07/2005 2:35:12 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Swordmaker
Thus, the basic short answer is pretty clear: level the software playing field, and the X-Serve blows everything else away, while even last year's desktop G5s, at 3.7 Gigaflops per CPU, handily beat this year's Dell servers at only 3.1.

IBM POWER products kick ass!

22 posted on 01/07/2005 6:42:50 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Swordmaker
Funny movie (quicktime (Yuck) required)

Doesn't always load on the first try.

23 posted on 01/07/2005 8:21:33 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: Swordmaker
Sigh. How do you deal rationally with a cult?

It's a niche machine. What's its market share?

The facts are it is slower, the software offerings are a fraction of those available for the PC, and the sowftware tends to be greatly more expensive.

Which pretty much keeps it a cult/niche product, used mainly for graphic arts composition and little else.

As I like to say: "PCs ae designed to impreess users; Macs are designed to impress interior decorators." You just know that flaming gay guy Christopher Lowell is a macophile...

--Boris

28 posted on 01/08/2005 3:04:40 AM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: Swordmaker

nttttttttttt


29 posted on 01/08/2005 3:05:29 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Swordmaker

[finally back online] does Apple make routers? [rhetorical]


31 posted on 01/08/2005 5:57:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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