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Auburn wins Sugar Bowl, joins Utah as co-faux-national champs
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Posted on 01/03/2005 8:44:12 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat

Auburn beats VA Tech in the Sugar Bowl, 16-13, to finish the season undefeated. 2 days ago Utah whipped Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl to also complete an undefeated season.

USC and Oklahoma play tomorrow night in the bogus national championship game, but in truth, once again no one will know who was the best team this season.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: allabigscam; auburn; auburntigers; aufootball; bogaucity; collegefootball; fraud; goutes; itsallfigureskating; oklahoma; pagingtonybruno; playoffnow; sooners; southerncal; trojans; utah; utes; vatech; wareagle
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To: panzer_grey
On 25 September 2004, West Virginia defeated Div-1AA James Madison 45-10

And JMU went on to win the National Championship in 1-AA

121 posted on 01/04/2005 4:57:09 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Txsleuth

yup. Roll Tide!!!!!!!!

:)

I cheered for Auburn last night. I'll pull for Oklahoma tonight.


122 posted on 01/04/2005 5:00:07 AM PST by petitfour
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To: You Dirty Rats

I agree. And I still can't figure out why the 'college presidents' are so opposed to a playoff. It can't be money, (as they so often seem to say) because the interest generated in a real playoff would be tremendous. Plus, there would be better regular season matchups, as teams wouldn't fear taking a loss early in the year in the interests of improving their team.


123 posted on 01/04/2005 6:35:27 AM PST by raptor29
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To: sinkspur
"USC is the best football team. Is there any doubt in your mind?"

Well they did beat Cal. LOL
124 posted on 01/04/2005 6:41:58 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (If someone says "sak", you should sak.)
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To: NittanyLion

You dare to speak. LOL!!!!!!!!!!


125 posted on 01/04/2005 6:46:29 AM PST by Husker8877
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To: raptor29
College football is really run by the most obnoxious fans on the planet -- the boosters. No college President can afford to antagonize the boosters. The boosters provide money, and we all know that colleges are greedier for money than any for-profit business out there.

The boosters won't stand for elimination of the bowl system. Anyone proposing to take away the boosters' parties around New Year's Eve will be crushed. We all unfortunately have to bow down to these blazer-wearing pompous a-holes.

It can still be done, though. Here's how:

1. Require all regular season games and conference championships to be finished by Thanksgiving weekend.

2. Have teams ranked (by whatever method) 1-8 host teams 16-9 the first week of December.

3. Rerank the eight winner and have 1-4 host 8-5 the second week of December.

4. Send everyone (who qualifies) to a Bowl game. Obviously, the four surviving teams would play against each other. The other twelve teams, along with those teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs, get Bowl Games that are no less meaningless than they are now.

5. The two surviving playoff teams play a real Championship game a week after their Bowl game.

The boosters get their party, the playoffs schools get more games, we have a real Champion, and nobody plays more than 16 games. Ohio High School teams play up to 15, so 16 should be no problem.

126 posted on 01/04/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: Husker8877
...But the Utes have ZERO credibility in the national scene, this year nothwithstanding--Hawaii had a great season in 1999, BYU had a great one in 1989...means nothing. Get a few wins against great competition year-in and year-out, learn how to actually break up a pass, tackle an opponent, or stop anyone at any time over a period of a few seasons, then come back. Until then, STFU!!!

Genius, we are talking about who is the best team THIS YEAR. I posted to you in post #48 a comparison of the scores against common opponents for Utah, USC, and OU, which show Utah performing similarly to USC and OU. Somehow you failed to respond to those facts, instead yapping and telling others to STFU.

Nice show of Nebraska football classiness. So in your eyes, Utah isn't legitimate until they start robbing grocery stores, beating their girlfriends, and dragging them down the steps by their hair, and then have their coach coddle the thugs and maybe sit them out one quarter against Sisters of the Blind College?

You do realize the rich irony in an ex-Nebraska player ridiculing another school for not playing a tough non-conference schedule?

127 posted on 01/04/2005 6:58:25 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Husker8877

You are laughing at Penn State? Dude, your team had a losing record! You are playing I-AA MAINE next year! I thought Nebraska fans were knowledgeable -- isn't that what the "N" stands for on the helmets?


128 posted on 01/04/2005 7:00:07 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: DugwayDuke
Myself, I'm rather ambivalent on the idea of playoffs. I don't really know what it would resolve. The idea that one can decide on which team is the best based upon one game is rather far fetched. Does any one really believe that USC, OU, or even AU are that much different? Any of those teams (and you could throw in a few more, maybe Texas for example) could beat any of the other teams. A couple of breaks one way or the other (like a dropped touchdown, a funky bounce of the ball, or a bad referee's call) and any of those teams could win the championship game. What, exactly, would that prove?

Yeah, I guess the NFL is all screwed up. Not a day goes by that I don't hear chanting by the fans for the NFL to go to a bowl format.

Clearly we should just vote the Steelers and Patriots as 1 and 2, put them in the Superbowl, and then let 16 more teams play in bowls, that way more teams and their fans end the season all happy with a win. And while we are at it, let's add some semi-pro teams so we can schedule patsy wins and more home games, just as long as the pro teams win at least 6 games against other pro teams to become bowl eligible...

129 posted on 01/04/2005 7:05:33 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You do realize the rich irony in an ex-Nebraska player ridiculing another school for not playing a tough non-conference schedule?

You have to admit that beating up on Western Illinois was pretty impressive -- they went 2-5 in the Gateway Conference! Then there was a loss to Southern Mississippi, who play in the powerful Conference USA. The Blackshirts did manage to beat Pitt by a whole touchdown, and Pitt did manage to make it into a BCS Bowl -- to get crushed by the mighty Utes! No wonder the Huskers scheduled Maine next year!

130 posted on 01/04/2005 7:10:54 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: DugwayDuke
Myself, I'm rather ambivalent on the idea of playoffs. I don't really know what it would resolve. The idea that one can decide on which team is the best based upon one game is rather far fetched. Does any one really believe that USC, OU, or even AU are that much different? Any of those teams (and you could throw in a few more, maybe Texas for example) could beat any of the other teams. A couple of breaks one way or the other (like a dropped touchdown, a funky bounce of the ball, or a bad referee's call) and any of those teams could win the championship game. What, exactly, would that prove?

You're right. Playing the game won't decide anything. Much better to let the sportswriters vote on it.

131 posted on 01/04/2005 7:15:36 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: You Dirty Rats; Husker8877

To be fair, Husker8877 did admit that Nebraska's season wasn't great this year. I was mocking Nebraska's long history under Tom Osborne of playing one of the weakest non-conference schedules, running up the scores on Nobody U., then lobbying the polls on their 'great tradition' bullcrap. And again to be fair, towards the end of Osborne's tenure he did upgrade their non-conference schedules, and often got exposed as a result (such as the upset at Arizona State, hahaha!)


132 posted on 01/04/2005 7:17:14 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

At least Osborne beat Oklahoma once in a while and he did kick the crap out of Bear Bryant in the Orange Bowl (38-6!!). It's precisely because the Huskers have such a great tradition that makes this season not just "not great", but an unmitigated disaster. Losing record? Are you kidding me? The Blackshirts losing 70-10 to Texas Tech? Even my alma mater qualified for a bowl game (the University of Akron ZIPS), and I'd be the first to say that they have no business in Division I-A in the first place, let alone a bowl game. (They didn't get an invite).


133 posted on 01/04/2005 7:31:34 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: DugwayDuke
Myself, I'm rather ambivalent on the idea of playoffs

Of course you are correct, one game can always be a fluke. But better to be decided in a game than by a vote of people who are "loyal" to their conference and try to vote in a way that "ups" their side either now or in future years. As for a bad call deciding the game, that is always the worst way for a team to win or lose. But good refs know they should not determine the outcome of the game, and the playoff could get good refs.

134 posted on 01/04/2005 7:38:58 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; sinkspur
I'm an SC fan and alum. With that said, the "National Championship of College Football" is mythical.

There will never be a playoff system, because the bowl games bring in too much money to the conferences. The free market should determine who gets the more prestigious, higher-paying bowl games - not some cartel.

For the Auburn fans, take heart that your team posted one of the best records ever. However, if SC beats Oklahome this evening, they will go down in sports history as one of the best teams of all time - the only blot on their record in two years being an overtime loss to Cal last year.

135 posted on 01/04/2005 7:58:50 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Diddle E. Squat

It comes down to TV draw. USC draws more interest than Auburn or Utah.


136 posted on 01/04/2005 8:00:28 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Diddle E. Squat

We already have a playoff and James Madison University are the only national champions of college football, until D I-A gets their house in order.


137 posted on 01/04/2005 8:03:03 AM PST by AmishDude (Official pseudo-Amish mathematician of FreeRepublic.)
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To: Utah Girl
"The BCS really messed up this year..."

I dislike the BCS intensely, but they did accomplish their goal - putting the top two teams into a bowl game. However, I would have liked to see Utah vs. Auburn.

The rap on Utah is that they play a relatively weak schedule. Had they been the only team to finish undefeated, I would have voted them #1. A similar situation happened in the mid-1980's when BYU was the "best" team in the nation and defeated Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.

The rap on Auburn is that last year they were not a top-performing team, and so they came in with a relatively low rank. Both SC and Oklahoma had great years last year (although Oklahoma benefitted, at SC's expense, in making the BCS championship, even though they lost their conference title game). Auburn did not.

138 posted on 01/04/2005 8:07:02 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: MissouriConservative

The SEC was uncharacteristically weak this year.


139 posted on 01/04/2005 8:15:25 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I agree that some form of playoffs would make things "better", but there would also be a brand new group of unhappy campers who belong more than the next guy. And still, if you ask non-Tiger or Ute fans they'll tell you OU and USC are the top 2 teams...


140 posted on 01/04/2005 8:17:58 AM PST by CatAtomic (,,,,)
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