[narby]

You can run from the problem but you can't hide, because unless that first life happened naturally, naturalism collapses.

You're not so dense as to have missed the innumerable times people have pointed out that God could have zapped life into existence, and it then proceded to Evolve. So I must conclude that you are fundamentally dishonest in your posts, because "naturalism", I.E. Evolution most certianly does not collapse if God personally created the first DNA molecule.

Indeed, to believe the Creationist pap alongside the physical evidence collected over the last 200 years, you must believe that God deliberatly seeded the earth with evidence to lead us astray. I just don't buy into the idea that God plays games with our heads to get His jollies off.

I don't abide intellectually dishonest arguments. That's why I reject the tenents of Environmentalism and Creationism. The left and right sides of the same dishonest coin.

[Dimensio]

You're not so dense as to have missed the innumerable times people have pointed out that God could have zapped life into existence, and it then proceded to Evolve.

No, he's just a liar. He insists that evolution means godless naturalism, when it does not. He has been told that it does not mean this, he cannot cite a single scientific reference that authoratitavely claims this, but he repeats this claim anyway.

Dataman isn't interested in presenting rational arguments. His only purpose is to lie about evolution in the hopes that some naieve lurkers will see it and develop doubts based upon the strawman that he has presented. Dataman is one of the lowest of the creationist liars. He knows that his statements are false, and he doesn't even try to support them with facts. He just repeats the same lie that "evolution" = "atheistic naturalism" and that evolution somehow requires a completely specific (and completely naturalistic) origin for life even though the theory of evolution works regardless of how the first life forms came into existence in the first place.

Basically, Dataman can't argue against evolution based on facts, so he has to deliberately lie about what evolution states in order to form an argument against it. Nothing that Dataman says can be trusted, because he's already made it clear that he is a shameless liar.

[Dataman]

You're not so dense as to have missed the innumerable times people have pointed out that God could have zapped life into existence, and it then proceeded to Evolve.

You fail to perceive the fallacy in your own argument. If God exists, miracles are automatically possible. If miracles are possible, naturalism is both unnecessary and false.

For an evolutionist to appeal to God to explain all the problematic aspects of his irreparable theory is hypocrisy in the absolute sense since he mocks the creationist for doing supposedly the same thing.