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Signs of a Glut and Lower Prices on Thin TV's
The New York Times ^ | November 29, 2004 | ERIC A. TAUB

Posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

While hanging a television on the living- room wall may have captured the imagination of American consumers, it has yet to empty many pocketbooks.

That may soon change as a glut of liquid crystal display flat-panel televisions, called L.C.D.'s, enter the market, a result of a boom in new factories. According to several manufacturers and analysts, the prices for L.C.D. flat-panel TV's will drop in the new year, falling by as much as 30 percent by the end of 2005. The prices of plasma flat-panel TV's are also expected to fall significantly.

That is not a message that the electronics retailers want to be heard during the holiday shopping season. They are hoping that the price cuts that have already occurred will spur more people to buy flat-panel sets, and many are already offering discounts to increase traffic in their stores.

"We do not want to talk about predictions of price drops," said Lee Simonson, the director of Best Buy's television division. "We want people to buy now."

Flat-panel TV's still represent less than 10 percent of the 29 million TV sets to be sold to dealers in 2004. Of the flat-panel sales, 73 percent are L.C.D. sets and 27 percent are the larger plasma models.

Flat-panel sets have become hot items with consumers. According to a survey by the Consumer Electronics Association, an industry trade group, a plasma television is the most desired holiday gift this season.

Manufacturers, like the makers of other consumer electronics, are investing heavily to expand their production capacity, hoping to capture market share. Earnings, they reason, will come later, although until recently, these sets had proved highly profitable. In the first three quarters of 2004, the LG.Philips LCD Company made $1.4 billion in profits from L.C.D. televisions, although the company reported a drop in earnings in the third quarter from the year-earlier period. Another manufacturer, AU Optronics, made $900 million in the three quarters, according to DisplaySearch, a technology research company.

This windfall has given them the cash to build next-generation plants capable of creating even larger screens at lower per-unit costs. Each new generation L.C.D. plant costs $1 billion to $3 billion.

Next year, AU Optronics and another L.C.D. maker, C.P.T., both based in Taiwan, will complete new plants for making 32- and 37-inch displays. To cut construction costs, Sony and Samsung are in a $2 billion joint venture to build the world's first L.C.D. plant designed to produce eight 40-inch or six 46-inch displays cut from one large piece of glass.

"The plant building boom is due to a herd mentality as big sales numbers have been forecast," said Chris Chinnock, president of Insight Media and editor of the Microdisplay Report, an industry newsletter. "We've seen this cycle of shortfall, investment and oversupply for 10 years. Everyone sees the opportunity at the bottom of the trough and thinks they can do better than their competitors."

Bharath Rajagopalan, general manager for TCL-Thomson Electronics, owner of the RCA brand, said: "L.C.D. production is becoming a commodity game. There is an inordinate amount of competition and price erosion."

Ross Young, president of DisplaySearch, predicts that there will be a 53 percent increase in capacity during 2005, and he says that will put a lot of pressure on pricing. A 42-inch L.C.D. set that costs close to $4,500 today will be $3,100 next year, and $2,250 in 2006, he says.

Tasso Koken, vice president and general merchandise manager for Sears home electronics, predicts that in 18 months, a 20-inch L.C.D. TV from a well-known manufacturer will be under $299, down from $700 to $800 today. "The 2005 price drops in L.C.D. will make the 2004 reductions look like a walk in the park," he said.

As prices for all televisions fall, the industry expects that each of the competing technologies will carve out its own market niche. The ultimate victim may be the tried-and- true picture-tube TV.

So far, average consumers do not seem to care which technology they are buying. "Generally speaking, the consumer has no understanding of the differences between L.C.D. and plasma technology," Mr. Koken of Sears said.

But there are important differences. Plasma displays use a grid of hundreds of thousands of cells filled with a xenon and neon gas plasma. An electrical charge illuminates colored fluorescent phosphors, creating an image. Because of the difficulty in producing very small grids, plasma sets can be produced cost effectively only in larger screen sizes.

In an L.C.D. panel, liquid crystals are sandwiched between pieces of glass. An electrical charge twists the crystals to block light or to allow it to pass through to the screen. L.C.D. sets do not display motion as crisply as plasma TV's, and have more limited viewing angles.

Many industry executives expect that later this decade, L.C.D. units, which are typically 3 to 5 inches deep, will completely replace smaller-size picture-tube sets. Next year, Sony expects to double the number of flat-panel TV's it sells in the United States, while decreasing its picture-tube offerings by 20 percent, according to Mike Fidler, a Sony senior vice president. The picture-tube business is expected to remain profitable for the company for the next three years, but then decline as the price of L.C.D. TV's falls below $500, Mr. Fidler said.

Falling prices for larger screen sizes may force plasma sets to be sold only in sizes around 60 inches, where they maintain their price edge over L.C.D. screens. Plasma panels contain only electrodes and phosphors, so they can be made in larger sizes without a proportionate increase in price, according to Ed Wolff, a vice president at Panasonic.

But some are not so sanguine about the future of plasma. Mr. Fidler of Sony says that L.C.D. TV's will drop so much in price that plasma will go away in three to five years.

Given the uncertainty of whether customers will take to mounting their TV's on a wall, some companies like RCA are hoping that a less-expensive large-screen projection TV will remain a viable alternative to L.C.D. or plasma sets. A harbinger of that trend, the company's recently introduced Projects, a 61-inch projection set, is just 7 inches deep.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: electronics; hdtv; lcd; plasma; sony; tv
Good, I want one.
1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The 45-inch LC-45GX6U from Sharp.
2 posted on 11/30/2004 7:36:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Keep it coming...I want one of those!


3 posted on 11/30/2004 7:38:37 AM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just curious. Has anyone seen a video projector used as a TV, and was it any good? My local megaplex has all digital projectors, but I don't think they are as good as film projectors, yet. I suspect they project an image that is too large for the medium.


4 posted on 11/30/2004 7:43:42 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: newgeezer

Cool!


5 posted on 11/30/2004 7:44:49 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: js1138

Yes.But_the_bulbs_can_get_quite_expensive_over_the_long_run.

Keyboard_sill_broken


6 posted on 11/30/2004 7:47:52 AM PST by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: aft_lizard

I know the bulbs are expensive, so I wouldn't run a projector all day. But 60 inch plasma TVs are about 6000 dollars, and a top of the line projector is about $2000. That's about ten replacement bulbs, and in the meantime, technology could make everything obsolete.


7 posted on 11/30/2004 7:52:57 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I see two problems with the wal units: wires, and accessories.

Yeah the wall untils look cool in the commercials, but they don't have any wires in the commercials. I suppose if you're willing to tear into your wall and do some creative rewiring you can still achieve that look but that's a lot of work.

And the modern TV is not a standalone unit, at minimum you're going to have some sort of cable/ sattelite receiver it plugs into and a DVD player, and possibly other (probably other stuff if you're going in for a high end TV, what good is the uber TV without surround sound). Where all this stuff supposed to go when your TV is sitting on a wall.

Flat screen TVs are cool, but I just don't think the wall mount has that big a market, between the cables and the extra hardware you're looking at 2 to 3 feet worth of stuff that's gotta go somewhere, which means some sort of entertainment unit, which is a fine place to put your TV.


8 posted on 11/30/2004 7:56:09 AM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: js1138

I_wouldnt_buy_a_plasma_unless_they_drop_below_2000_for_a_60inch.
To_many_problems_with_burn_in.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 7:56:19 AM PST by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: js1138
A friend uses a video projector. It's connected to a Dish satellite feed. She has over 2000 NASA channel VHS tapes she is converting to DVD. Did I mention that she is a electronics junkie!!!

BTW her projector is aimed at a 20 foot screen!!! We will have our NSS Christmas party at her house and you can only imagine what "2001" looks like on that screen!!!!!

10 posted on 11/30/2004 7:56:36 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: discostu

Just make it wireless....


11 posted on 11/30/2004 7:57:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Can't make it all wireless, gotta get power to the thing. And I'm not sure how much of the other stuff can go wireless, can you transmit S-Video through the air with no loss of quality?


12 posted on 11/30/2004 7:59:47 AM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: discostu

Lots of engineering to be done.


13 posted on 11/30/2004 8:01:47 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: biblewonk
Around the time HDTV reaches critical mass, these things will be a lot more affordable.

Regardless, this is technology-driven; therefore, it's going to get better and cheaper. This should not be news to anyone having at least a room-temperature IQ.

14 posted on 11/30/2004 9:55:27 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I'm holding out for the new technology S.E.D. sets to arrive in the next couple of years. Thousands of miniature "electron guns" rather than one. Plus, CRT sets are destined to become thinner by as much as 50% in the next couple of years. Decisions, decisions.


15 posted on 11/30/2004 11:37:55 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Can't wait to get one. Bigger, brighter, sharper, but with quality is what I'm after. The only downside with the new technology is that we will be seeing bigger, brighter, sharper hi-def on-screen logos and other useless graphics. If there was a way to cancel out those view-obstructers, then flat panel tv would truly be great. Still, one (or more) would look good in the house.


16 posted on 11/30/2004 2:00:59 PM PST by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: newgeezer

TV is a great investment. Compare it to your car. You spend thousands on a car and most of your driving is to work, which you hate. Your TV is always entertaining and you use it way more hours per year.


17 posted on 12/01/2004 6:29:26 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
As I've said here before, my price point for a 42-inch HDTV is $500. Why anyone would pay $3K to watch crap is beyond me.

So wake me when the price gets to that level, and I'll buy whatever technology is available.

--Boris

18 posted on 12/03/2004 4:21:39 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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