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1 posted on 11/27/2004 10:13:04 PM PST by wildcatf4f3
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To: wildcatf4f3

Not a bad choice. Very simple to operate, as you probably found out, and plenty of recognition from the movies.


2 posted on 11/27/2004 10:17:25 PM PST by Bryan
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You might want to consider a semi-automatic .22 caliber as a starter rifle. No scope. Learn how to shoot with the iron sights first.

But a Winchester 94 in .30-30 caliber is also a good pick. The lever action makes you start from scratch with your aim every time you chamber a round, which is why I suggest a semi-auto.

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3 posted on 11/27/2004 10:26:08 PM PST by Bryan
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30/30 is the most popular cartridge, and the '94 is probably the most popular rifle too. I've fired in .357 and it's a great carbine.
4 posted on 11/27/2004 10:28:00 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Just do it.


6 posted on 11/27/2004 10:33:39 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: wildcatf4f3

If you're going to go with the .30-30 caliber, my experience has been that Marlin makes a better rifle than Winchester.


7 posted on 11/27/2004 10:34:21 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: wildcatf4f3
Good choice, but do, as previously suggested pick up a plinker .22.
12 posted on 11/27/2004 10:40:45 PM PST by investigateworld (( Willie Green for President!!! ...Now on my 5th day of not bashing Wal-mart))
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Model 94, Heritage Limited Edition High-Grade, One of One Thousand
Model 94, Legacy
Model 94, Ranger®
Model 94, Timber
Model 94, Traditional
Model 94, Traditional-CW
Model 94, Trails End™
Model 94, Trails End™, Octagon Case-Colored
Model 94, Trapper™
Model 94, Ranger® Compact

For over 100 years, the ageless Winchester® Model 94 has been a favorite of cowboys, hunters and shooters. Through the years, not much has changed from the original Model 94. Why alter perfection? Few rifles can boast of the combination of looks, hard working performance and reliability of the 94. The compact receiver keeps the weight centered between your hands. a noticeable lack of an external lever hinge below the receiver makes one-handed carrying convenient and easy. The smooth action makes cycling a fresh round into the chamber fast and effortless, an important feature for fast moving game like whitetail deer. The tang-mounted safety preserves its classic good looks. Now after 20 years, this timeless rifle is again available with a nostalgic octagon barrel in the Trails End model. But, most importantly, the Model 94 is the gun that works — and has worked for over a century.

Although you don't tell us about yourself (age,  future plans for the gun i.e. hunting, precision target, plinking, home defense, etc) one of the Model 94's would likely be a great choice, particularly if you already feel at ease with it....a major stumbling block for a lot of first time shooters.  Too often, people start out with more than what they can handle first time around and it makes them flinch involuntarily thereafter, and this can sometimes be difficult to eradicate. In your case, with this gun, that wouldn't be an issue as you tell us that you're already comfortable with it.

It's simplicity allow you to concentrate on shooting and shooting accurately, not worrying about subtleties like gas adjustments, scope adjustments, etc.  It's a reliable, quality rifle that will serve you well unless you specify more details about yourself or your intentions that might suggest something different.


13 posted on 11/27/2004 10:41:23 PM PST by Stoat
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To: wildcatf4f3

The Winchester M94 is a fine rifle, so go get it.

The .30-30 cartridge chambering is great for hunting deer and black bear.


21 posted on 11/27/2004 11:22:09 PM PST by Sixgun Symphony
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Would this be a good starter rifle?

NO

If your heart is set on a lever action or a 30-30, buy a Marlin, say a 336 or similar model. You will find a much more accurate and a rifle that has true side ejection (as long as you are right handed.)

A starter rifle should be something that you will develope your skills with and that you will use a lot. The 30-30 lever action has been used for deer hunting at 100 yards or less over much of the US. It is not a long distance rifle for antelope in the wilds of Montana or Wyoming, nor a rifle for moose in the Northern states.

Another post suggested also getting an inexpensive 22 LR bolt action rifle.

They practically give away 22 LR bolt actions at gunshows. I would suggest you look at K-Mart to see if they have any end of hunting season 30-30's or some other discount chain if you really want a lever action. Unless you really know what to look for, I would pass on buying a lever action at a gun show. If you have a very knowledgable friend then a gunshow will most likely get you a decent price on a used lever action

Personally for a starter rifle, I would opt for a military surplus rifle. One can get a military arsenal refinished Turkish or Yugo Mauser bolt action for under $150 or a nice Russian MN 1891/30 for under $80. While ammo can't be found at most local sporting goods stores, it can be purchased at gunshows and over the internet at very reasonable prices. Several major sporting good chains, like Big 5, are starting to care military surplus bolt action rifles.

24 posted on 11/27/2004 11:45:45 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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don't forget to buy only blunt nose ammo..


25 posted on 11/27/2004 11:47:37 PM PST by wardaddy
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If you've got your heart set on it, go for it. It's a great rifle and you'll never regret the money spent on it. The 30-30 is the most popular centerfire hunting caliber in North America for a reason. The kick is not punishing and it's got the knock down power to handle anything North Amreica has thrown at it.


27 posted on 11/27/2004 11:49:49 PM PST by bad company (I'm a new Grandpa.)
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Pay no attention to the naysayers. If you feel comfortable shooting a 94 by all means it is a good starter rifle. Your comparison to a Telecaster is apt. Like a guitar, an important part of choosing a firearm is how it feels to you. A 94 is a classic, fun to shoot and a joy to carry. You didn't say exactly what you planned on using it for. If your plans include hunting get the 30-30. You will have to limit yourself to 200 yards or so, but most hunting is within that range anyway. If you just want it for plinking and self defense, consider a 357 Magnum which also shoots .38 Special. Pistol ammo costs a lot less, recoil is lighter, and the magazine will hold 10 shots instead of 5. And you can get one new for about three hundred dollars. As for a Marlin, they are good also, but it's really just a matter of preference, like Fender vs. Gibson. Marlins are better for mountng a scope due to the side ejection, but who wants a scope on a lever action? Ruins the whole feel and balance IMNHO. Pick one that feels right to you, and have fun.


36 posted on 11/28/2004 12:41:27 AM PST by Hugin
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bump


40 posted on 11/28/2004 5:04:14 AM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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Well, I have a confession to make. I asked my husband about that Winchester 30/30, and it turns out it was a Sears & Roebuck. Forget everything I said about a Winchester being a piece of cr*p. < /feeling like an ignoramus girl >

The Marlin 336 is a good contender with a Winchester, but after it's all said and done, much like the Telecaster, just go with whatever 'feels' right. (Maybe one costs less than the other? I dunno.) The Winchester 94 IS a classic. You and I are roughly the same age (but I'm 39 and holding), and we probably grew up watching the same westerns on TV. One of my favorites was "The Rifleman." Some website I just looked up said his rifle was a "modified 44.40 Winchester with an enlarged trigger guard." Whatever Winchester it was, Chuck Conners was way cool carrying it. ;-)

Anyway, like Lurker said above, don't forget the cost of ammo when you factor in the costs. With the .22 caliber, you can shoot all day and not put a dent in your pocketbook. (Go to cheaperthandirt.com to compare ammo prices. I've used them for other things and have always been pleased with their service.) And listen to what tortoise said: A bolt action is more accurate then a semi-automatic. Plus, it's safer for someone not used to gun safety. (When you're just starting out, you really DO have to consciously THINK about that rule, "Always treat a gun as if it's loaded.")

Oh, and if you have kids, it's now your solemn duty to instill in them the proper respect and admiration for guns. You've caught the bug; pass it on. I'll be forever indebted to my dear ol' Dad for doing so. :-)


42 posted on 11/28/2004 5:54:31 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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Here's a bit of useless trivia related to that famous Winchester carried by Lucas McCain:

Source: http://www.tvparty.com/rifle.html

"The rifle was not in any sense a "self-cocking rifle". That is quite clearly seen as Lucas obviously has to cock it for each shot. And it is not a semiautomatic weapon, either, which is defined as a weapon that uses the bullet's energy to load each round and cock the weapon with every single pull of the trigger.

"What it was is a Winchester model 1892 with a large cocking handle that could be manipulated rapidly, but it still had to be cocked manually for each shot. It also had a screw that could be adjusted to *fire* the rifle every time the cocking lever was returned to the resting position.

"In a sense, it is the opposite (inverse?) of a semiautomatic rifle. It had to be manually cocked for each shot, but the shot went off by itself. A true semi-auto has to be manually fired, but the cocking takes place by itself.

"It was also a wildly impractical design - you could not cock the rifle without having it fire! That meant it had to be carried in the "already fired" mode, requiring a cock to fire it the first time.

"And of course, we won't dwell on the fact that a rifle that fires as the cocking lever is moving is probably the least accurate rifle every developed. But damn, it was fun to watch!"


45 posted on 11/28/2004 6:36:41 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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no. its not as safe as modern rifles since it cant be unloaded unless you cycle all the live rounds thru the firing chamber. better to go with a removeable magazine or a floor plate magazine that drops the cartridges into your hand. any modern bolt action. or even a ruger mini 14 w removeable magazine if you want to just plink.


49 posted on 11/28/2004 10:29:45 AM PST by beebuster2000 (waiting waiting waiting)
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I have a Model 94 in .375 Win. and love it. It's a great brush gun and packs a good punch. It's not good at a long distance though. Where I hunt I barely get more than 75 yards of semi-clear distance. Most of the time it's less than 25 yards. I have a Rem 700 ADL in .308 I use for my open area hunting.

If I really what to reach out and touch something I break out my M1A w/ a 20X scope. I can hit pennies at 200 yards. I give them to my daughter's dates the first time I meet them.


56 posted on 11/28/2004 5:54:41 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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At the risk of sounding like a pointless maverick, I have to disagree with most on this thread. I think the first thing you need to do is decide what it was about shooting that you liked so much.

If it's the "rush" of being able to project lethal force, it'll wear off rather quickly, and you'll regret wasting the money on a firearm.

There is no one-size-fits-all first rifle, but you may find the first one you buy isn't very good at what you like to do.


59 posted on 11/29/2004 6:32:44 AM PST by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address.)
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