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To: presidio9

Oh sure. You can try to persuade yourself, but not others. Just look at sports... Americas glory has fade away this year in Athens, and the Chinese performed great. Or look at US-made cars... just think of all that comes from Europe. US men weren´t even able to invent the nuclear bomb, they had to attract Europeans to help them (lol). Even the Moon-landing was organized by an immigrant. And in war? Well, we all know that America confronted the Germans after my ancestors were distracted for years by the Russians, Brits and French. But I understand, you don´t want to acknowledge that "being the best" is not an attribute of a nation but for individuals. Your claim is just not true. What does it help that you say American men are the best? In what are they the best? What is the best (regarding taste, e.g. cars)? One Man may say that he is the best on a certain issue, but a nation can never say that - this is narrow-minded and selfish. If it helps the unemployed beggar on the street when he watches me passing by in my dress that he says "I´m American and this is just a German" - this pretty much sounds like arrogance, which leads to nationalism.

Note: Patriotism is good, nationalism not. And your comment is exactly one step too much for patriotism. You´re trying to stand above others, and no longer on a level of equals.


30 posted on 11/11/2004 8:19:51 AM PST by Michael81Dus (GERMAN)
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To: Michael81Dus
Um, did you watch the Olympics this year? We won. As usual. America will continue to produce a higher quality of man than other countries for two reasons: America is the purest genetic melting pot, and American children are, on average, the best nourished. You could look it up.
31 posted on 11/11/2004 8:27:02 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Michael81Dus
Sit down. Have a beer. Calm down. Relax. There is nothing wrong with claiming that your people are the best. It just means that you like them most. That's ok, it's patriotism, something that we Germans sadly still have problems with.

Also, it is silly to be offended by stereotypes, precisely for the reason you cited: Even if it is true that Germans (and most Americans, too, BTW) have absolutely no fashion sense and can't find anything wrong with wearing white socks with sandals, everybody knows that there are always individual exceptions. So, there is no reason to get excited about it.

Interestingly, most stereotypes really are true. There is a good book about this subject, too.

33 posted on 11/11/2004 8:39:50 AM PST by cartan
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To: Michael81Dus
Patriotism is good, nationalism not.

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain

35 posted on 11/11/2004 8:46:11 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Michael81Dus
"Americas glory has fade away this year in Athens"

If you call winning the most gold medals AND the overall medal count "fading," then you're entitled to your delusion.

"US men weren´t even able to invent the nuclear bomb, they had to attract Europeans to help them"

The ancestors of most Americans - including mine - were European, obviously. But they were Europeans who were smart enough to know when to get the hell outta Dodge. Do you know what those types are called? Americans.

"And in war? Well, we all know that America confronted the Germans after my ancestors were distracted for years by the Russians, Brits and French."

The French? lol.....you're quite the comedian. If not for those French "distrations" the Americans never would've beaten you goose-steppin' socialists, eh?

39 posted on 11/11/2004 8:52:09 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Michael81Dus
"What is the best (regarding taste, e.g. cars)? "

Read and weep dude!

German cars 'not reliable'

German cars, once famed for their reliability, have been given the thumbs down in a survey by Which? magazine.
Leading brands such as Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz all fared worse in the magazine's annual reliability survey than in recent times.

Less prestigious marques including the US' Ford performed better than in the past, overtaking their German rivals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3129581.stm

What was it about German cars again?
LMAO!!
43 posted on 11/11/2004 9:07:22 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Michael81Dus
"Well, we all know that America confronted the Germans after my ancestors were distracted for years by the Russians, Brits and French. But I understand,"

Nope.
America gave Germany an ass-whupping when Germany and its supposedly "master racy" of Aryans was at its arrogant best.
General Gorge Paton run rings around your "mighty" German army and made you guys look like rank amateurs!
Germany got it's butt kicked but good.
No excuses. :)
44 posted on 11/11/2004 9:13:09 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Michael81Dus
" Just look at sports... Americas glory has fade away this year in Athens, and the Chinese performed great"

Are we talking about the same Athens Olympic Games here?

Ermm ..dude.. America won more golds, more medals at Athens than anyone else, including China and Germany.
What you babbling on about?
45 posted on 11/11/2004 9:16:38 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Michael81Dus

Stop spewing. You're 7 minutes are up. LOL.


48 posted on 11/11/2004 10:05:36 AM PST by Huck (Any man, gay or straight, can marry a woman. That's equal treatment under the law.)
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To: Michael81Dus

Most of Americans have at least some European blood in them, including black Americans. So what's your point about "importing Europeans"?


68 posted on 11/11/2004 11:44:34 AM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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