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As a former armor officer I’ve had the opportunity to supervise the loading of large amounts of ammunition and explosives on and off trucks. But never have I tried to move 380 tons, or three-quarters of a million pounds, of ammunition from one location to another. So I did a little math to see what it would take for a highly-organized and well-trained unit to move the quantity of explosives that was allegedly moved out of the Iraqi ammo depot 18 months ago.

It requires 30,400 armloads, at 25 pounds per armload, to move this amount of explosives. If you assume that one trip to the truck and back takes one minute (I timed myself from my living room to the end of my driveway and back at 59.6 seconds), then one man could load 1,000 pounds into a pickup truck every 40 minutes. That one man, assuming he worked 24 and 7 could load those trucks in slightly over 21 days.

If we increase the number of people to 10 and double the load of the pickups to 2,000 pounds, then it would take 51 hours of non-stop labor to move the explosives out of the ammo dump. But this assumes a never-ending supply of pickup trucks arriving at the facility every 8 minutes for over two straight days. 100 people could haul off the ammo in a little over five hours, but it would require a fresh truck every 48 seconds. Neither of the latter two scenarios is very plausible.

Let’s assume instead of carrying the ammunition to the trucks, the terrorist convey it “fire brigade style.” If the distance from ammunition to truck is 100 feet, then it would require 20 people passing 25 pounds of explosives at a time down the line from person to person. At the rate of one load every 5 seconds, it would take only three minutes and 20 seconds to fill a truck with 1,000 pounds of explosives. At that rate the entire stash could be carried off in 42 hours. But, again, it’s implausible because it would require 18 fresh trucks per hour for almost two days straight.

Keep in mind all these numbers only consider the loading of the ammunition. You have an equally labor-intensive task at the off-loading site. In short, it’s inconceivable that this amount of ammunition was spirited away undetected in an area where US troops were operating in the time that the UN, the New York Times, and CBS would have us believe. Something is fishy about this whole story.

1 posted on 10/26/2004 6:28:23 PM PDT by BobKrumm
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What does it take to move 380 tons?

a whole bunch of democrats

33 posted on 10/26/2004 6:52:53 PM PDT by mlocher
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Sorry, it wasn't the Pentagon it was the UN itself.

Here is a link to the whole story and a few snippets.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/



On March 15, said Melissa Fleming, a spokeswoman for the IAEA, “the seals on the doors on the bunkers were checked at many of the bunkers to see if they were still there and hadn’t been tampered with, and that was the case.”

snip

The Iraq Survey Group discovered that the stockpiles of HMX and RDX were missing on May 27, seven weeks after the last visit by U.S. troops.

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Lt. Col. Fred Wellman, the unit’s spokesman, appeared to confirm NBC’s report in an e-mail message Tuesday to The Associated Press, saying the brigade did not have orders to search for the explosives that Iraqi officials say were stolen.

The soldiers “secured the area they were in and looked in a limited amount of bunkers to ensure chemical weapons were not present in their area,” Wellman wrote. “Bombs were found but not chemical weapons in that immediate area.

“Orders were not given from higher to search or to secure the facility or to search for HE type munitions [high-explosive weapons], as they were everywhere in Iraq,” he wrote.


37 posted on 10/26/2004 6:55:13 PM PDT by SolidRedState (Free Martha)
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What does it take to move 380 tons?

Superman?

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

38 posted on 10/26/2004 6:55:22 PM PDT by mhking
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SEE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1256476/posts

Also
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002869.php

He has some interesting estimates!!!


40 posted on 10/26/2004 6:57:43 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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Oh, shoot, you guys are getting way too carried away with all the picky details of how hard it would be to move the stuff. You're supposed to simply swallow what the NYT puts out, aren't you??? In the old days no one questioned them.....


41 posted on 10/26/2004 6:58:06 PM PDT by Another Thought
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10 Semis. Maybe fewer. A couple of hours to load each one using forklifts (carry in, carry out) and relatively unlimited slave labor. Drive to Syria, shoot the slaves for the sake of tidiness.

Assuming they ever existed.


42 posted on 10/26/2004 6:59:02 PM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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My BAD

I forgot to tell you that the fully loaded B747-400 DID NOT have Michael Mooooooore in it.

I apologise for the error!


45 posted on 10/26/2004 7:01:38 PM PDT by fastattacksailor (Edward M. Kennedy: The Naval Hero of Chappaquiddick!)
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Using your numbers, we should have attacked Iraq at least one to two months EARLIER to secure these Weapons of Semi Mass Destruction.

I SEE THE LOGIC NOW!!!

At that time Kerry was still FOR the war in Iraq, before he voted against it! He must have used Edwards vaunted psychic channeling powers to know that we needed to be there then, but not later.


49 posted on 10/26/2004 7:08:32 PM PDT by shibumi (HELP! HELP! We've lost our accordian and can't shoot the ducks!)
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Hey, maybe they used a bus. I heard they are good at packing those.



Or maybe a train.


53 posted on 10/26/2004 7:27:59 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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A Klingon Bird of Prey, properly modified, can beam up 400 tons in a matter of seconds.

58 posted on 10/26/2004 7:37:03 PM PDT by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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The big fat liar Mike Moore, could put it on his fat back and do it in half the time, but thanks for the effort you put into it.


65 posted on 10/26/2004 8:37:53 PM PDT by diss-a-lib (God is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh)
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There was never any explosives in that area, I swear to that. signed... Baghdad Bob, good friend of chemical Ali


66 posted on 10/26/2004 8:44:31 PM PDT by diss-a-lib (God is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh)
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No sweat...


Achmed and his brother Saeed, using his half-ton

Toyota, no doubt made 760 secret nighttime trips there,

so they wouldn't be noticed by our troops or predator drones.


The good news is that now that the scrawny pair has

loaded AND unloaded 380 TONS of stuff, they are ready

to take over Arnold Schwarznegger's former body building

business.


67 posted on 10/26/2004 8:46:23 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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Ask them.


72 posted on 10/27/2004 5:01:25 AM PDT by Fintan (Oh...Am I supposed to read the article???)
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