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OCTOBER DREAM [TERROR ATTACKS WORLDWIDE HAVE U HAD SUCH A DREAM OR VISION?]
MERI BURLINGAME AP LIST ^
| 02 OCT 2004
| Tracey DesLauriers
Posted on 10/02/2004 3:48:27 PM PDT by Quix
QX NOTE: Since mentioning the below in a very sparse thread, a well known FREEPER has reported a similar dream. Another FREEPER, who probably knows more than many of the rest of us put togehter, said it was . . . my words . . . compatible with other . . . data.
I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT
HOW MANY OTHER FREEPERS
HAVE HAD SUCH DREAMS
AND/OR VISIONS.
PLEASE FREEPMAIL THEM
OR
POST THEM
ON THIS THREAD.
If you FREEPMAIL them, please let me know if I can post them anonymously on this thread. Blessings, QX
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The AP List
October 2, 2004
Meri Burlingame: Moderator
Even as many had dreams indicating in July and August that September would be a month of storms, others have had dreams saying that October would be a month of terrorism. May we be found standing in the breach as the Lord would direct us.
Meri
[QX NOTE: Meri is a long term, close friend and Sister in The Lord].
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Tracey DesLauriers
September 4. 2004 5:03am.........had this dream three times...
I am standing outside, and approximately about 20 feet away from me, I see what looks like a big globe of the world.
As I begin to walk towards it, I am then lifted up far above this globe, and can now look down , and see the whole universe.
As I look far over towards the left, I see a darkening in the sky. In a blink of an eye, it strikes me that it has the resemblance of New York
the stock exchange buildings and business area. I then become aware, that as this situation is occurring, that in other parts of the world, there seem to be simultaneous attacks.
Although, I am not certain, of the exact places these attacks are also occurring, I do notice, that oil refineries, are being blown up, and I notice there seems to be those of Arabic descent as well as what appears to be Iraq, is now once again, under heavy attack, with air attacks, and ground forces, attacking just as they did in the beginning of the war
many lives are lost.
As this takes place, I look to my right, and see more destruction, and terror and death.
As I awoke, I was in tears, and kept hearing "Oct will be a significant month, Winds Of Change
Watch and Pray"
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Meri Burlingame
AP List Moderator
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
Sounds like it's time to quit wrestling with pharisees and skunks, again.
501
posted on
10/09/2004 3:34:00 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
To: Quix
If you think that The Bible is 100% of God's 'complete' revelation, then I'm more convinced than ever that your tidy little boxed God is far too small to be the same God Almighty I know. Even Scriptures declare that the world could not contain a complete scribing of even Christ's good works--Qx paraphrase. Perhaps you've torn that Scripture out of your Bible. I'm almost speechless. The scripture you brought up only serves to prove my point. "God's revelation to man " does not mean "everytthing Christ did" or "everything that is on God's mind". It includes everything God wants to say to us.2 Tim 3:16-17. If something is "perfect", or "complete" then what more needs to be added to it ? Nothing, I would say. So I will reiterate that the bible is the complete revelation from God to man, and claims such for itself.
SCRIPTURE SAYS HOLY SPIRIT WAS SENT TO LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH
More misquotations from you. The HS was not sent to lead US into all truth, unless you are one of the Apostles (and I will thank you not to play apostle word games here. It is in the CONTEXT). He led the APOSTLES into all truth, who in turn passed it on to us via the scriptures. Case Closed.
502
posted on
10/09/2004 3:34:34 PM PDT
by
UsnDadof8
(The groundswell of public opinion is about to hit John Kerry. And it won't be pretty)
To: Quix
You know you profess to be a follower of Jesus, but you know very little about him.
503
posted on
10/09/2004 3:35:18 PM PDT
by
D Edmund Joaquin
(There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
To: UsnDadof8
Guess I should have known you'd be so blind as to fall for the I Corinthians 13 deception foisted off by so many pharisees.
Following your logic, we should have no love etc. as also mentioned in the chapter.
Obviously, the chapter is talking about Christ returning as the Perfect Lamb and setting up His perfect Kingdom.
But I really wouldn't expect modernday pharisees and skunks to realize that.
504
posted on
10/09/2004 3:40:51 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; D Edmund Joaquin
You are on another planet. I cor 13 is about how LOVE is so much better than spiritual gifts, and points out that spiritual gifts will END, which they have.
505
posted on
10/09/2004 3:43:59 PM PDT
by
UsnDadof8
(The groundswell of public opinion is about to hit John Kerry. And it won't be pretty)
To: Quix
Indigestion aside, prophetic dreams do happen to average, ordinary people. As I read the postings about yes it does happen and no it doesn't, I keep thinking of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Firmly believe we all have gifts of the Holy Spirit. Some do not recognize these gifts for what they truly are. Also keep thinking about Shiest telling his followers that they have to power to do as He did.
506
posted on
10/09/2004 3:48:38 PM PDT
by
tob2
(Old fossil and proud of it.)
To: tob2
Shiest should have been Christ. Darn, must have clicked on the wrong thing during spell check.
507
posted on
10/09/2004 3:50:14 PM PDT
by
tob2
(Old fossil and proud of it.)
To: tob2
508
posted on
10/09/2004 3:51:08 PM PDT
by
D Edmund Joaquin
(There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
To: Quix
509
posted on
10/09/2004 6:06:14 PM PDT
by
DAVEY CROCKETT
(Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
To: Quix; D Edmund Joaquin; UsnDadof8; ItsOurTimeNow
as they quack and leave duck droppings...Something has hold of you, Quix, and I fear it is not of God.
Repent.
510
posted on
10/09/2004 7:02:27 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: D Edmund Joaquin
...there are even more (prophets) who go on record after the fact.ROFLMBO!
Usually for cash.
511
posted on
10/09/2004 7:05:54 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: Quix; D Edmund Joaquin; UsnDadof8; ItsOurTimeNow
How do you feel about Nostradamus and Elizabeth Clare Prophet?
512
posted on
10/09/2004 7:09:34 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: Quix; D Edmund Joaquin; UsnDadof8; ItsOurTimeNow
Or a Calvinist to understand love This Calvinist understands you deserve the abuse button for slandering the faith of the Reformation and dozens of righteous posters on Free Republic. None of us on this thread has done anything close to your vindictive, childish slander and rude, unChristian harangues.
Simply asking you to support your beliefs with Scripture sends you into an acidic frenzy of giant fonts, sarcasm and venom.
You're spitting, Quix. Get a grip.
I'll pray for your deliverance.
513
posted on
10/09/2004 7:21:29 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: Quix; tob2; diamond6; Xenalyte; Donna Lee Nardo; BriarBey; Petruchio; Former Military Chick; ...
A special thanks to those who challenged me, to search and find truth! :)
Holy Spirit of the Old and New Testament
*******My personal opinion is that we ALL have a Spirit, some evil some of GOD. GOD chooses.
Luke 1:15
"For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.
******* Jesus says all you have to do is ASK and OBEY HIM and you will receive the Holy Spirit. In the following verse Luke was writing to the Greeks.
Luke 11:13
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"
Acts 5:32
"And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
******* Peter says just ASK and YOU will receive the GIFT of the HOLY Spirit. Acts is a book about the establishment of THE CHURCH for ALL.
Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The next verses tell us that the Holy Spirit can be revealed to any one.
Luke 10:21
At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, "I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 22 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."
Mathew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
Matthew 12:32
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Amen
Traits of the Holy Spirit and how He works
Exodus 35:21 ] Everyone whose heart stirred him and everyone whose spirit moved him came
Ezra 1:5 even everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up and rebuild the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem.
Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Isaiah 57:15
with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite.
Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.
Isaiah 63:11
put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them
Daniel 4:8
and in whom is a spirit of the holy gods;
Daniel 4:9
a spirit of the holy gods is in you and no mystery baffles you, tell me the visions of my dream which I have seen, along with its interpretation.
Daniel 4:18
'This is the dream which I, King Nebuchadnezzar, have seen. Now you, Belteshazzar, tell me its interpretation, inasmuch as none of thewise men of my kingdom is able to make known to me the interpretation; but you are able, for a spirit of the holy gods is in you.'
Daniel 5:11
"There is a man in your kingdom in whom is a spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of your father, illumination, insight and wisdom like the wisdom of the gods were found in him. And King Nebuchadnezzar, your father, your father the king, appointed him chief of the magicians, conjurers, Chaldeans and diviners.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:20
But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8
"I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Mark 3:29
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
Mark 12:36
"David himself said in the Holy Spirit,
Mark 13:11
"When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.
Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:41
When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
Luke 1:67
And his father Zachariaswas filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
Luke 2:25
And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
Luke 2:26
And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luke 3:16
John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."
Luke 4:1
Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness
Luke 12:10
"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.
Luke 12:12
for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."
John 1:33
"I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'
John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 16:5
"But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, "Where are You going?'
John 20:22
And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:2
until the day when Hewas taken up to heaven, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen.
Acts 1:5
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."
Acts 1:8
but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."
Acts 1:16
"Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.
Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Acts 2:33
"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
Acts 4:8
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers and elders of the people,
Acts 4:25
who by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Your servant
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.
Acts 5:3
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
Acts 6:5
The statement found approval with the whole congregation; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit
Acts 7:51
"You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
Acts 7:55
But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
Acts 8:15
who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
*******This was the first mention of laying on of hands. My person opinion is that laying on hands was a man made event. I see no where in scripture that this a requirement by GOD or Jesus all one has to have Faith, Believe and Prayerfully ASK.
Acts 8:17
Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:19
saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:17
So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, " Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:31
So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase.
Acts 10:38
"You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
Acts 10:44
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
******* Here we see that the Holy Spirit was POURED OUT.
Acts 10:45
All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:47
" Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Acts 11:15
"And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16
"And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ' John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
Acts 11:24
for he was a good man, and full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And considerable numbers were brought to the Lord.
Acts 13:2
While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
Acts 13:4
So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus.
Acts 13:9
But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him,
Acts 13:52
And the disciples were continually filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
******* Here it says GOD gave them the Holy Spirit.
Acts 15:8
"And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
Acts 15:28
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
Acts 16:6
They passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;
******* Here in the next two verses they were asked had they received the Holy Spirit. Which to me implies they could have received by just BELIEVING. For those who did not know or of little faith they laided hands on and PRAYED.
Acts 19:2
He said to them, " Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 20:23
except that the Holy Spirit solemnly testifies to me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions await me.
******* The Holy Spirit was paid for at the cross by the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST.
Acts 20:28
"Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 21:11
And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: 'In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'"
Acts 28:25
And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, "The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers,
******* Paul was writing here to ALL. Eager to prove the gospel's power to save and sanctify ALL, Paul, like a wise lawyer, calls the gospel to the witness stand and examines it from every angle. Paul says the Holy spirit was GIVEN to us.
Romans 5:5
and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Romans 9:1
I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 12:1
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Romans 14:17
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Romans 15:13
Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 15:16
to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
******* Here we see that Paul says YOUR body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 6:6
in purity, in knowledge, in patience, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in genuine love,
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 3:5
which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;
******* Paul tells us here we are sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 1:5
for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
1 Thessalonians 1:6
You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
******* Here again Paul tells us GOD gives us the Holy spirit.
1 Thessalonians 4:8
So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.
******* Timothy tells us the Holy spirit Dwells in us.
2 Timothy 1:14
Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you.
*******Paul tells us here HIS MERCY we will receive and the Holy Spirit will renew us.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 2:4
God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will.
Hebrews 3:7
Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
Hebrews 6:4
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 9:8
The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing,
Hebrews 10:15
And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us
1 Peter 1:12
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things into which angels long to look.
1 Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:21
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
1 John 5:8
[A few late mss add ...in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth, the Spirit] the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
Jude 1:20
But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
******* Now this is interesting from Jude to Revelation 21:10 we have no mention of the Holy Spirit. Where are we? Praise GOD Almighty.
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
514
posted on
10/09/2004 7:24:55 PM PDT
by
DAVEY CROCKETT
(Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
To: tob2; D Edmund Joaquin; UsnDadof8; ItsOurTimeNow
Firmly believe we all have gifts of the Holy Spirit. Scripture for that assertion?
The Holy Spirit, the Comforter, is the gift.
I'm amazed so few here are gratefully content with the magnificent, unmerited, unfathomable gift of salvation God has given His flock.
You want what is not yours to have.
515
posted on
10/09/2004 7:36:57 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: tob2
ShiestLOL. I thought I had more to google.
516
posted on
10/09/2004 7:38:38 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
To: All
THE FOLLOWING is often used to justify the unBiblical idea from hell that Holy Spirit no longer does things as He commonly did in the earliest NT times. It's a fairly absurd idea on the face of it but because people often tend to avoid thinking beyond a shallow level, they often accept it as true.
I CORINTHIANS 13:
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. QX: AHHHHHHH, A KEY POINT. WHEN?
The deception from hell contends that when John the Beloved ran out of ink at the end of Revelation, then THE PERFECT HAD COME.
What hogwash! Ink on pages is going to be THE PERFECT vs THE LIVING WORD, THE CHRIST--JESUS?
What a short route back to idolatry! Just because the idol is an ink on paper version of God's Spirit breathed Word doesn't make it less offensive in God's eyes.
Satan is gleeful. He gets people sidetracked into a very limiting, ego driven, flesh driven; intellectually focused; given to rigidity; given to narrowness; given to authoritarian judgmentalism etc. sort of idolatrous philosophy of man masqurading as 'Christian righteousness.' . . . . masquarading as even THE TRULY TRUEST, MOST LOFTY, MOST PURE, MOST HOLY, MOST RIGHTEOUS, TRULY TRUEST TRUE TRUTH!
And all the 'lesser idiots' who haven't 'our lofty study and brilliant understanding;' 'our clarity of vision and holiness;' . . . are deamed heathen beyond the pale or some such. Satan is indeed gleeful. Idolatry always thrills him. Anything but worshipping THE LIVING WORD; THE LIVING GOD--THE FATHER, THE SON, THE SPIRIT.
And there's nothing slicker than getting well meaning honest believers sidetracked into a very seductive hypocrisy, heresy of worshipping their specific personal/reference group's idiosyncratic version of worshipping ink on a page otherwise known as [in hushed reverent tones reserved for true idols] THE WUUUUURRRRD OF GAWWWWWHHHHDDD!
No, THE BIBLE is
1) NOT A LOGICAL solution to THE PERFECT in this chapter. 2) NOT A SUFFICIENT solution--especially when compared to THE RISEN CHRIST RETURNING IN PERFECTION AS THE PERFECT CONQUERING KING TO SET UP HIS PERFECT KINGOM OF PEACE.
10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
If we were to do some thoughtless mental contortions and gymnastics sufficient to delude ourselves that the perfect is supposed to be the ink on pages in a book--WHAT could we imagine would be the imperfect that disappears? Does the Old Testament disappear? Not hardly!
Have all other BOOKS disappeared? What nonsense! Have all other examples of ink on pages disappeared? Worse nonsense!
CLEARLY for anyone thinking past the depth of the width of a human hair, CHRIST is the ONLY plausible solution for THE PERFECT to come. Further evidence is availabe in the chapter.
Have prophecies passed away from God's ordained use in The Body of Christ? Not by a long shot! Oh, there are blind groups where they QUENCH Holy Spirit in direct violation of Scripture and He avoids overcoming their free wills to force Himself on their sanctimonious little/big group. But that doesn't mean Holy Spirit is hobbled across ALL of Christendom and the globe.
Holy Spirit is having a grand time raising people from the dead after prophecying that such will happen to so and so--in Mexico and in China and I think also in Africa. And, there were a number of prophetic warnings documented well ahead of time about 9/11.
In my own life, I've been somewhat grieved yet blessed that I heard correctly that XYZ pastors and spouses were going to be disciplined in stern ways within a year. And it happened--not one of the alternative ways described but both ways.
I and many, many folks I've noted to be most in Love with Jesus and most intimate with Him, The Father and The Spirit than others in my experience--this class of people of all walks and stations in life--and all shapes and sizes and plenty of flaws, BTW--this class of people have persistently had waves of experiences of accurate prophetic ministry in their lives.
It's also logical and Biblical when one simply takes the text at face value and applies it functionally as Scripture indicates in one's daily life. Usually Child-like faith has the easiest time experiencing such.
Tongues? Not hardly! One close friend prayed at 3 different visits to 3 different Native American tribes at the end of her ministry visit. She just thought se was praying in tongues quietly as others prayed also--most out loud at the same time. But afterwards, in all 3 cases, an older person standing near her would ask her where she'd learned the lofty version of their Native language. They told her she'd given a beautiful perfectly pronounced version of the Gospel story in the high status version of their Native language which few alive even knew any more.
There are thousands of similar experiences abroad in the Church at large, today. Clearly, the New Testament was and is a manual for CHRISTIANS OF ALL AGES TO OPERATE FROM, with it serving as a guide until CHRIST RETURNS. Nothing else makes much logical sense regardless of the intellectual contortions and rubber Bible stuff the naysayers pontificate with.
Hmmmm, prophecies, tongues--ahhh wellll, surely knowledge has ceased!!!! SUPER IDIOCY! AS SCRIPTURE foretold, it has mushroomed and spread far and wide across the globe--all kinds of knowledge. And, it has puffed up accordingly. But even righteous spiritual knowledge has mushroomed. AND HAS YET TO EVEN APPROACH PERFECTION!
So, we prophecy in part; know in part and certainly love in part. IT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO EVEN IF WE MEMORIZE EVERY WORD OF INK ON THE PRINTED PAGE. CLEARLY, THE PERFECT HAS NOT COME, YET.
BUT PRAISE GOD, THE KING IS COMING. THE PERFECT ONE SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IS COMING.
IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME, THE PERFECT ONE WILL REIGN OVER HIS PERFECT KINGDOM IN LOVING PERFECTION.
THEN, AND ONLY THEN does it make sense that there will no longer be a need or function for Holy Spirit prophecies, tongues and knowledge poured through flawed human critters leaving all still seeing through a glass darkly.
THEN AND ONLY THEN will we SEE THE PERFECT ONE FACE TO FACE AND KNOW AS WE ARE KNOWN.
Nothing else makes the faintest sense for anyone thinking deeper than the atoms on the surface of a hair.
11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
EVEN WHEN THE PERFECT KING COMES AND REIGNS IN PERFECTION, LOVE , FAITH, HOPE WILL STILL REIGN SUPREME WITH HIM. But prophecies will be unnecessary as His wisdom and knowledge will be scribed on our hearts and shared freely, liberally to all living in that exalted realm.
Tongues will THEN be unnecessary as Holy Spirit and the light of God's Wisdom and Knowledge will be as available as the enlivened air we breathe in that exalted realm.
Alas, many folks have had poor teaching. Many seize on the poor teaching for psychological reasons. Many become entrenched in it because it's all they've ever known. Many buy into it because their families or reference groups insist on it or ostracize them.
It doesn't matter; satan doesn't care what the excuse is for the bibliolatry. He's just gleeful to side track people's devotion to THE LIVING WORD, THE FATHER, THE SPIRIT.
Satan had MUCH rather have people fiercely defending and insisting on endless tidy little boxed constructions on reality rather than submitting moment by moment to the still small voice of The Lord.
Sigh.
517
posted on
10/09/2004 7:48:31 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
I'm so THRILLED THAT IT IS CLEARLY
THE HOUND OF HEAVEN
who has such a firm grip on me!
I'd thought a Calvinist would have assumed that! Oh, that's before I disagreed with your tidy little boxed constructions on reality. I C.
518
posted on
10/09/2004 7:50:08 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
They are obviously evil hogwash at least as evil as the 'doctrines' you espouse about the cessation of spiritual gifts operating in the Body of Christ in our era.
519
posted on
10/09/2004 7:51:04 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Either your mirrors are all shattered
or
you have lost all capacity for comparison.
520
posted on
10/09/2004 7:52:13 PM PDT
by
Quix
(PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
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