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Need help on Winter soldier Investigation

Posted on 09/22/2004 8:40:15 AM PDT by vanburen

A columnist has challenged me concern the facts about Winter Soldier Investigation. Following is what he said "I'm not aware that any of those who actually testified has ever been exposed as a fraud, or that their testimony has been found by any credible source to be false."


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Any help by way of links or any information is needed.
1 posted on 09/22/2004 8:40:15 AM PDT by vanburen
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To: vanburen

http://wintersoldier.com


2 posted on 09/22/2004 8:41:14 AM PDT by wesdale
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To: vanburen
Why are you asking a bunch of wackos in pajamas? Contact CBS News. < /sarcasm>
3 posted on 09/22/2004 8:42:05 AM PDT by OSHA (Cheap Shots, Low Blows and Late Hits. Free Delivery. Fast Friendly Service with a Smile!)
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To: vanburen

http://www.habitablezone.com/CurrentEvents/messages/338632.html


4 posted on 09/22/2004 8:46:15 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: vanburen
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On August 31, 2004, Steve Pitkin signed an Affadavit. Steve wanted to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation.
"The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline. Email it to your friends.
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5 posted on 09/22/2004 8:48:04 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ping


6 posted on 09/22/2004 8:50:56 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: vanburen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=wintersoldier&j1=and&p1=
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=vvaw&j1=and&p1=


7 posted on 09/22/2004 11:13:44 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

bump


8 posted on 09/22/2004 11:17:48 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: vanburen; 2Jedismom; 2Trievers; 4mycountry; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE

Can you guys help out here....someone needs info on the psuedo Vietnam Vets who stood with Kerry in his anti-Vietnam war activities....


9 posted on 09/22/2004 11:23:53 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: vanburen
John Kerry directly contributed to the lies of the anti war movement AND caused deaths and injuries
to US Military serving in Vietnam AND
directly caused deaths from injuries at home AND countless suicides because of his false testimony.

John Kerry is not fit to be elected dog catcher let alone President of the United States.
ANYONE who votes for Kerry AFTER knowing this data
is guilty of covering up John Kerry's war crimes!


John Kerry, director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War,
testified before special session the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
April 22, 1971

KERRY GAVE TESTIMONY BASED UPON FALSE INFORMATION
THAT KERRY KNEW AHEAD OF TIME TO BE FALSE!




September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam. After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.


E-Mail and/or fax these url's to EVERYONE ASAP! Kerry MUST be exposed NOW!
PUT PRESSURE ON THE MEDIA TO COVER THIS BEFORE NOV 2nd

Steve Pitkin Story


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

Steve Pitkin DD-214


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinWSI

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)


http://www.wintersoldier.com/video/pitkin2.wmv

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here


http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

10 posted on 09/22/2004 1:46:33 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: vanburen
NEW AD!
Hanoi Kerry in Paris
and Hanoi Jane in Hanoi


Windows Media .......... Real Player .......... Quick Time .......... AOL



Copy and Paste these url's and e-mail them to everyone.

Look below for media contacts in your area.


Windows Media:

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QuickTime:

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RealMedia:

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MPEG Version:

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Locate media and send them the truth about Hanoi Kerry
Look up your zip code, gives you links to YOUR local media with phone, e-mail etc info.

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"First I picked Edwards BUT now I pick Hanoi Jane!"

Edwards played football in 1971 when he turned 18
instead of serving in Vietnam.
Hanoi Jane at least was a Viet Cong!
Just like me!

Hanoi Jane and I know how to demoralize US Troops serving today!

We hate US Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We hate all US Troops!

We lie about them in 2004 the same as we did in the 60's and 70's!

We vow to protect the UN and the Oil for Food Scandal

We vow to keep secret the ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida

We vow to free Saddam Hussein with help from our old friend Ramsey Clark.



John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here

READ THIS INTERVIEW THAT KERRY GAVE in 1970
KERRY GAVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE VIET CONG

Harvard Crimson : Kerry refused order to destroy Viet Cong village

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER

Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."


11 posted on 09/22/2004 1:49:19 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: vanburen; Interesting Times
"I'm not aware that any of those who actually testified has ever been exposed as a fraud, or that their testimony has been found by any credible source to be false."

I disagree with this statement. WSI witness Steve Pitikin has recently recanted, and WSI Joe Bangert's testimony sounds mighty incredible.

Caution: no one can locate a Navy report widely claimed to have debunked the WSI - don't fall into the trap of echoing that claim.

Check out wintersoldier.com's "Incoming" for a letter from 'Sen Star' detailing Bangert's implausible testimony:

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040525223302756

12 posted on 09/22/2004 7:22:49 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: vanburen

HI

I think I can be of some service. I was one of the actual "combat veterans" that "testified" at WSI, although I was coached by Kerry on what to say. The reason for that was that I never saw any "war crimes", but let's just say that If I didn't cooperate with the program I was going to have a long walk back to Baltimore (Where I lived), and well, you had to be there to see the look on other peoples faces who emphasized they wanted me up and talking to the press


13 posted on 10/10/2004 7:00:38 PM PDT by Tu Dia (Tu Dia)
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To: secretagent

Recanted What? The only thing I got wrong was the name of the guy who drove us up next to kerry. Like he says "I may have gotten the words wrong..." Don't you dare say I recanted. To say that you may as well have a bag of waste byproducts and throw it at me again like your companions did 33 years ago! Don't care. I'm quite used to it. But don't you dare say I recanted. Dream on Catman.


14 posted on 10/10/2004 7:05:58 PM PDT by Tu Dia (Tu Dia)
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To: Tu Dia
Recanted What?

Your WSI atrocity stories.

15 posted on 10/11/2004 5:30:29 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent

I'm unaware of what drug you're taking, but I have never recanted my statement about what happened at WSI. It just hasn't happened except in your mind. What is it that you're not getting correct?
Look up the word "RECANT" and study the definition carefully. If you have any problem with understanding what that means then I can only feel sorry for you.
If you don't choose to believe what I said, that's your right under the Constitution of this country. But I can no more recant about the story that I've told, then I can recant that I fought in Vietnam, or that I served a total of 32 years in the military.


16 posted on 10/12/2004 8:45:59 PM PDT by Tu Dia (Tu Dia)
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To: secretagent

I'm unaware of what drug you're taking, but I have never recanted my statement about what happened at WSI. It just hasn't happened except in your mind. What is it that you're not getting correct?
Look up the word "RECANT" and study the definition carefully. If you have any problem with understanding what that means then I can only feel sorry for you.
If you don't choose to believe what I said, that's your right under the Constitution of this country. But I can no more recant about the story that I've told, then I can recant that I fought in Vietnam, or that I served a total of 32 years in the military. What you're doing is pitifully attempting to spread disinformation on this website.


17 posted on 10/12/2004 8:51:59 PM PDT by Tu Dia (Tu Dia)
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To: Tu Dia

Steve, he's saying that you recanted your original testimony at the WSI, not your recent statement.


18 posted on 10/12/2004 9:00:29 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Tu Dia
I have never recanted my statement about what happened at WSI.

I never said it did.

This recent statement of yours, about what happened at the WSI, recants the atrocity stories you told at the WSI back in 1971. Thanks.

19 posted on 10/13/2004 5:53:54 AM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent

Please accept my apologies for misinterpreting what you said, since obviously I took it in the wrong context. Now if only John Kerry would be so bold.
Once again, sry!


20 posted on 10/13/2004 7:13:28 AM PDT by Tu Dia (Tu Dia)
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